High Intensity Training??

[iain]

[My brother does centuries (100 mi) on his bike, I had a coworker who said she did 1.5 hr/day on her elliptical, and I have an aunt who "exercises" by riding a bike (at a pace where she practically tips over), and they all complain that they can't lose weight the way they want. I'd love to have a heart-rate belt on any of them as they exercise. I'm not arguing against long workouts for weight loss, but everyone needs to understand that unless you are feeling warm, sweaty, and having difficulty carrying on a conversation within 10 minutes of starting, it doesn't count as exercise.

It also goes along with all of those in society who think golf, bowling, etc. are exercise. Do we have some societal aversion to sweating? We all do own showers, don't we?

The trouble is that there are also a raft of people who don't even do the mild exercise, so this has to be encouraged as I expect many of them would never do regular sweaty exercise and would become even less active if the effect of their exrcise was belittled. I am always amazed at the people who pull 3:30 on the erg for 15 mins and are surprised that they have only done 100 Kcals.

For years I did little exercise other than walking briskly in preference to lifts or using the car (when I did measure my pulse, this was around 100-110 against RHR around 50 and MHR estimated at 205, so only 30-40% HRR). I did put on some weight (2 stone 5lbs at the worse), but that was eating a lot. I believe the exercise does help, it is just that the volume required to make a difference is huge. The 10.000 steps per day is over 1.5 hours and is at the low end of what should be done to have a significant impact.

Iain

[anthonysemone]

Diet, folks, diet; food is fuel; take in the wrong kind, too much, not often enough, and irrespective of the energy expenditure (it's NOT calories in, calories out), one will stay FAT or get FATTER. When you have a spare 2 months or so, read Gary Taubes' book "Good Calories, Bad Calories."

tony

[iain]

Diet, folks, diet; food is fuel; take in the wrong kind, too much, not often enough, and irrespective of the energy expenditure (it's NOT calories in, calories out), one will stay FAT or get FATTER. When you have a spare 2 months or so, read Gary Taubes' book "Good Calories, Bad Calories."

tony

I don't think Gary Taube's ideas are universally accepted. I fail to see how calories in - calories out can not relate to change in stored foods.

- Iain

[anthonysemone]

FWIW,

no idea I know of in so far as diet is concerned is "universally accepted." Read the book, or, if you don't have the time, and I didn't, go to <www.proteinpower.com> and go to Dr. Michael Eades' blog; do a search thereon and get a summarized version of it. It will put a much different light on the old in/out thinking.

tony

I don't think Gary Taube's ideas are universally accepted. I fail to see how calories in - calories out can not relate to change in stored foods.

- Iain[/quote]

[iain]

FWIW,

no idea I know of in so far as diet is concerned is "universally accepted." Read the book, or, if you don't have the time, and I didn't, go to <www.proteinpower.com> and go to Dr. Michael Eades' blog; do a search thereon and get a summarized version of it. It will put a much different light on the old in/out thinking.

tony

I am writing from memory and have never read the book, but did read a significant amount of commentary on it several months ago. I think that there was a lack of allowance for anyone having any will power. I do not accept that we are all automata that blindly react to hunger. i acknowledge that he may have a lot to say for making dieting easier, but in the end it will come down to taking in less calories. Increased exercise allows you to carry on eating at levels that would not have lead to weight loss before. Yes it will lead to hunger, but that does not automatically mean that we eat more.

As for universally accepted, I would say that this is close to the status of the law of conservation of Energy.

- Iain

[anthony]

Well, it is just the issue you've named: the so-called conservation of energy, with which both Taubes and Eades take exception. Read Eades, or not, as you feel disposed. While certainly not scientific by any stretch of the imagination, when I shifted my energy intake directly in line w/ Eades, and have continued in that line, I've both gained strength, lost body fat and maintained or increased my weight. when I've gone off the Eades wagon and ate according to the Law of Thermodynamics, I lost weight and it was all from lean muscle.

tony

[mikvan52]

Perhaps it's time to invoke the K.I.S.S. principle:

Want to lose weight?
Keep it Simple... do the exercise routine known as "repeat push-aways"

Every time you get the urge to over-eat simply "push-away" from the table and go exercise... high, medium, or low intensity exercise will do. Do it for 30-60 minutes a day. Take one day off per week.
After a year or two you will find your natural weight. Be happy with it. Some people are large, some not as large.

If you follow this plan, I promise, a cardio angel will come to your rescue!



The USA is far too weight obsessed. This obsession seems to have lead us into being a nation of fat people who would rather watch exercise than do it.

[iain]

I promise, a cardio angel will come to your rescue!

If that is the angel, I'm tempted to puit some lard on to try your approach

[mikvan52]

I promise, a cardio angel will come to your rescue!

If that is the angel, I'm tempted to puit some lard on to try your approach

..and angels have many forms (in order to avoid being seen as sexist )



To add to the prior discussion:

"unless you are feeling warm, sweaty, and having difficulty carrying on a conversation within 10 minutes of starting, it doesn't count as exercise"

I have to confide to the group that, in training for my successful hammer attempt at CRASH-B's, I did much of my volume at a pace where I could carry on a conversation and wasn't noticeably sweaty (60-65 of heart rate max)....

My opinion is that when I neglected to take such an easy day at least one day a week that I was unable to progress toward my competitive goals.

[iain]

unless you are feeling warm, sweaty, and having difficulty carrying on a conversation within 10 minutes of starting, it doesn't count as exercise.

I agree with MvB, although within 10 mins I will be sweating freely on my long recovery rows, I can carry on a conversation at what I believe is a UT 1 pace. My issue is that I lose rhythm (usually speeding up), not that I can't talk. Indeed I passed a significant portion of the first 2/3 of my FM discussing the Erg, training etc. It was only on the latter 1/3 that conversation became difficult, but I would count it all as exercise.

What do others think, am I going too slow on my recovery rows?

- Iain