Question about Virtual challenge

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Re: Question about Virtual challenge

Post by jamesg » January 11th, 2015, 2:27 am

push themselves to row about 10Km a day and have less than an hour a day to spare.
Exactly what I do. Why should I deduce that the format, if it is a format, does not suit me? Why should I deduce that the format must be changed to suit me better? I can invent my own any time I want as can anyone else, and I track Wh. You can too, why don't you?

The math might be quite a challenge in itself. Once you have developed it, I'm sure there will be lots of subscribers; please don't fight over the rules, we've had enough of that recently.

But is the C2 challenge a format? I think not, so I think it's risible to call something a format when it's not a format and then complain that the format is wrong. Like complaining that the moon is made of the wrong type of cheese. Anyone can do anything they like, somewhat different from everyone being required to run a marathon.

It's certainly not a sporting event, there they have tracks, prizes, competitors, even judges, anti-doping, corruption, Olympic committees... Less is better, how lucky we are to be able to do without.
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Re: Question about Virtual challenge

Post by timgo » January 11th, 2015, 5:15 am

jamesg wrote:Why should I deduce that the format, if it is a format, does not suit me? Why should I deduce that the format must be changed to suit me better? I can invent my own any time I want as can anyone else, and I track Wh. You can too, why don't you?
Agree entirely. Strava runs Total challenges every single month - everyone is free to join or not join, and everyone can find themselves on the the leaderboards, but unless you're running a marathon per day every single day there's little chance of being at the top. It's just a bit of fun. Not sure how the VTC is particularly different. (Admittedly with Strava the results of manual entries are not counted, only the GPX data, but even that's not "secure").

For me personally, this is my first ever monthly total rowing challenge. I've owned a rower for years, but only ever used is ad-hoc, perhaps a few 5ks per year. This month I've found that it's the best cardio exercise I can do whilst recovering from a knee op, and the VTC is encouraging me to complete more kms, which is exactly what I want. Currently I'm 78th on the board with 180km. And I want more.

Surely it's all about personal challenges, not about fame and fortune?

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Re: Question about Virtual challenge

Post by jackarabit » January 11th, 2015, 11:53 am

From Wiktionary:
Playoff format, competition in sports and games to determine an overall champion
I'd attempt to nourish my risibilities on something more substantial than the quotidian word choice of my interlocutor. Wouldn't want the barbarians to climb up to the walls of Casa James and find them made of glass, would one?

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Re: Question about Virtual challenge

Post by hjs » January 11th, 2015, 12:23 pm

The erg is mostly a training tool, either for fitness/health or to help otw people train. Just likemon other sports the online stuff is fine but not really ment as a race tool. I also think that in no sport just doing the meters without a factor build in will be considered a race. Its just some friendly fun for some, nothing more and can,t see a reason to restrict it. If some people like to use the machine for hours a day. So be it, they could also be on a jihad forum :wink: I think the c2 is a better choise.

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Re: Question about Virtual challenge

Post by jackarabit » January 11th, 2015, 12:51 pm

Henry writes:
If some people like to use the machine for hours a day. So be it, they could also be on a jihad forum I think the c2 is a better choise.
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Re: Question about Virtual challenge

Post by Carl Watts » January 11th, 2015, 8:45 pm

jackarabit wrote:Henry writes:
If some people like to use the machine for hours a day. So be it, they could also be on a jihad forum I think the c2 is a better choise.
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God don't start talking about religions on here, cannot even get common sense out of people with respect to use of a Concept 2 rower.
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Re: Question about Virtual challenge

Post by Hollywood_Kuma » January 12th, 2015, 1:33 am

On the subject of endurance rowing, the Royal Navy's Master at Arms Dave Harris put in 626k over 73 hours (previously he did 308k over 24 hours). Definitely not my tot of rum, but astounding nevertheless:

http://www.rearparty.co.uk/news-views/7 ... n-maa.html

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Re: Question about Virtual challenge

Post by jackarabit » January 12th, 2015, 12:44 pm

Pace for 73hrs. continuous rowing a bit less than 150% of pace for 7hrs. continuous. This man is/was a machine. Jack
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Re: Question about Virtual challenge

Post by jackarabit » January 12th, 2015, 10:21 pm

Looked at from the perspective of wattage output, the deterioration in performance is severe; 167 watts av. over the 100K to 38 watts av. for 73 hrs. The latter effort must have been excruciating to produce. Jack
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Re: Question about Virtual challenge

Post by Carl Watts » January 13th, 2015, 3:08 am

jackarabit wrote:Looked at from the perspective of wattage output, the deterioration in performance is severe; 167 watts av. over the 100K to 38 watts av. for 73 hrs. The latter effort must have been excruciating to produce. Jack
3:30 pace so again incredibly slow. Still must have been bad if you end up in the sick bay....
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Re: Question about Virtual challenge

Post by jackarabit » January 13th, 2015, 6:37 pm

CORRECTION:

"Slightly less than 150%" in post three back should read "slightly less than 175%." Jack
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Re: Question about Virtual challenge

Post by Hollywood_Kuma » January 17th, 2015, 9:32 pm

@Carl,

Yes, the three day+ piece (!) is very slow at 3:30, though not a feat I would care to try and replicate. The 24 hour piece, at 2:20, is more impressive I think (they don't call it "steady state" for nothing). A friend of mine supervised MAA Harris during this latter piece - he escorted him to the toilet on his solitary restroom break.

C2 ergs are quite popular in the Royal Navy for keeping fit. Boats on a ship.

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