Older ergers

[ranger]

This is a CONIBEAR stroke.

https://www.row2k.com/video/1928--Wanin ... oke/25772/

It is done at max drag with a maximal use of the back, both at the catch and finish. Catch is taken on the HEELS, rather than the toes, with the HAMS & GLUTES, rather than the quads, so that the body weight can be hung on the handle, where it remains until the finish. Levers are sequenced in the first half of the drive but simultaneous in the second half, with the arms being folded into the back and the back folded into the legs. When the legs are done, the stroke is done. The great assets of the stroke are a high peak force (I now get 135 kgs, which is the top of the force curve screen on the PM5) and a brief drive time, .4sec, which is HALF of the drive time of a contemporary rowing stroke. Because of this, locked into a maximally efficient 3-to-1 ratio, you can train, comfortably, at 36 spm rather than 18 spm. GREAT STUFF. I pull 13 SPI with the stroke. The best I could do with a contemporary rowing stroke was 10 SPI.

[Mike Caviston]

My first race will be in COLUMBUS, OH, at OSU, on Jan. 20th.

There are several components to racing. First, you have to enter the race. You’re pretty good at that. You enter 4-5 races every year, as we can see by checking in at Regatta Central. The second step is to show up for the race. You don’t do so well at that, but you do provide plenty of entertaining excuses such as your son getting you drunk the night before and blizzards that fall only on your house. The third step to racing is to actually start the race, but you have shown repeatedly that even if you arrive at the venue and warm up you are not likely to be in place for SIT READY – ATTENTION – ROW. You once travelled all the way to England to not row. I have personally seen you warm up but not row many times over the years, at places like Elkhart, Long Beach, and Cincinnati. See here for an example:
https://www.row2k.com/results/resultspa ... E20F&cat=6
Yeah, I had to sit waiting to start while officials tried to find the inconsiderate jerk who left without telling anyone he chickened out. My result wasn’t a world record but it was respectable, but then again I only dabble in rowing these days and in fact that race was just a warm-up, since afterward I headed across town for another race, a run up the Carew Tower (49 floors). Here are the results:
https://www.trisignup.com/Race/Results/ ... erpage:100
How about that? At 57 years old, I was the overall winner. Some of us don’t brag about what we can do as we get older, we just do it (I guess I am bragging about it now, but at least I did it first).

Finally, the fourth step in racing (after entering, showing up, and starting) is to finish the race. I’ve seen video of you leaving your erg and walking away mid-race (I’m not going to bother posting a link to YouTube). Rick was kind enough to show us what happened the last time you actually made it to the end of a race. You won’t finish a race this year.

[johnlvs2run]

My ignore list is working. However, quotes are not blocked! Sigh....same old, same old....Dougie, anyway I can change this?

That's easy. Just block the people who post the quotations.

[ranger]

Yikes, Mike. At THIS late date, you are STILL spouting ish. I haven't shown up for races, or succeeded, for a long time, because I was experimenting with technique, searching for a better way to row, and hadn't yet found it. I have now found it. I have entered, raced and won, I don't know, a couple dozen races--including all of the major international championships, BIRC twice. I know how to race, prepare to race, etc. Your soap box pontification started, just like this, before I became a lightweight and broke the 50s lwt WR three times, too. Amazingly, you went on, just like this, day after day, for a YEAR! Grow up, dude. Your empty blather had no effect on me at all. It's just hot air, gas. I succeeded IN SPADES--again, and then again.

But HERE'S the NEW future!

36 spm @ 13 SPI is 468 watts, 1:31.

With my CONIBEAR stroke, with its drive time of .4sec, I'll do it in a 3-to-1 ratio.

Those who use a contemporary stroke, which is everybody, with its drive time of .8sec, do 36 spm in a 1-to-1 ratio.

Ouch.

In rowing, effort is relative to RATIO, not to rate, pace, stroking power, or whatever.

A 3-to-1 ratio is just everyday rowing, 75% effort.

So, before the end of the racing season, as I ratchet my effort up to max, I'll rate 40 spm for 2K, perhaps 42 spm, perhaps 44 spm, holding my technique, and so stroking power, steady at 13 SPI, and STILL be in a 3-to-1 ratio!

OMG.

ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM.

No one has ever used a CONIBEAR stroke on the erg.

Heck, no one has used a CONIBEAR stroke on the water, either, for about 100 years now.

The 70s hwt 2K WR is 1:41 pace.

[penkethj]

No one has ever used a CONIBEAR stroke on the erg.

Heck, no one has used a CONIBEAR stroke on the water, either, for about 100 years now.

Ranger, I’m fairly new to rowing in the grand scheme of things. And therefore fairly new to these forums. However in the relatively brief time I have been using these forums, I have benefitted hugely from the advice and support of some genuinely fantastic rowers.

Now, a very short internet search reveals that the reliability of your claims and your integrity may be somewhat questionable.
Therefore, whilst it sounds like you’ve got it all figured out, I’ll reserve judgement until you can actually evidence any of this with a legitimate race result.

I look forward to your sub 6 minute 2k. If that happens I’ll be your biggest CONIBEAR stroke advocate. However, maybe until then, please consider not flooding the forums with unhelpful nonsense, when many of us use this as a valuable resource.

Thanks

[johnlvs2run]

please consider not flooding the forums with unhelpful nonsense

You should take your own advice first.

[Dangerscouse]

please consider not flooding the forums with unhelpful nonsense

You should take your own advice first.

Have you got any evidence to back up this comment? I've only seen good constructive advice from Penketh

[Sakly]

please consider not flooding the forums with unhelpful nonsense

You should take your own advice first.

Have you got any evidence to back up this comment? I've only seen good constructive advice from Penketh

+1.

And I cannot say the same about ranger. I only saw several posts about the Conibear stroke in different threads, which is sold as so good, that sub 6 is no problem. Would also be interested in prove of this statement.

[ranger]

No one has ever used a CONIBEAR stroke on the erg.

Heck, no one has used a CONIBEAR stroke on the water, either, for about 100 years now.

Ranger, I’m fairly new to rowing in the grand scheme of things. And therefore fairly new to these forums. However in the relatively brief time I have been using these forums, I have benefitted hugely from the advice and support of some genuinely fantastic rowers.

Now, a very short internet search reveals that the reliability of your claims and your integrity may be somewhat questionable.
Therefore, whilst it sounds like you’ve got it all figured out, I’ll reserve judgement until you can actually evidence any of this with a legitimate race result.

I look forward to your sub 6 minute 2k. If that happens I’ll be your biggest CONIBEAR stroke advocate. However, maybe until then, please consider not flooding the forums with unhelpful nonsense, when many of us use this as a valuable resource.

Thanks

Anyone who has three WR 2K rows knows how to race, has nothing to prove, and is reliable.

It's the internet that's not reliable.

[ranger]

You should take your own advice first.

Have you got any evidence to back up this comment? I've only seen good constructive advice from Penketh

+1.

And I cannot say the same about ranger. I only saw several posts about the Conibear stroke in different threads, which is sold as so good, that sub 6 is no problem. Would also be interested in prove of this statement.

I did my three WR rows when I was 52 years old at max drag.

So, yes, I have ALREADY proved that older rowers can use high drag and succeed.

Nothing more to prove.

Andy Ripley, who held the 50s hwt 2K WR for 25 years until Andy Benko broke it just recently, also rowed at max drag.

So I am not the only one who has proved this.

Nothing more to prove.

I STILL row at max drag.

I will race this winter at max drag.

Tune in.

It will all be filmed, of course, in a way that can be viewed by everyone, forever, given our cinematic/visual culture.

[ranger]

You should take your own advice first.

Have you got any evidence to back up this comment? I've only seen good constructive advice from Penketh

+1.

And I cannot say the same about ranger. I only saw several posts about the Conibear stroke in different threads, which is sold as so good, that sub 6 is no problem. Would also be interested in prove of this statement.

Sure, proof will be necessary, and so forthcoming. My first race this winter is Jan. 20th in Columbus. I'll also race four or five OTHER times this winter. But over the next eight weeks, as I am preparing to race, I'll do lots of trials, at lots of distances, including 2K, which will indeed prove the statement. I''ll post the results here and in the rankings. Because I pull 13 SPI with my CONIBEAR stroke, I do 1:40 pace, which is under the 70s hwt 2K WR of 1:41 pace, at 26 spm. When I race this winter, I'll keep my technique in place and rate 36-46 spm for 2K. Drag will be at max, 220 df.

[RWAGR]

Ranger- No one wants to see your training log bro.

Mods- I thought this guy was banned for life? Let’s reinstate that.

Plus a warning should be given to John above - a rude and totally uncalled for (not to mention factually wrong) attack on another poster.

Life’s too short to have to put up with these people.

[Sakly]

Have you got any evidence to back up this comment? I've only seen good constructive advice from Penketh

+1.

And I cannot say the same about ranger. I only saw several posts about the Conibear stroke in different threads, which is sold as so good, that sub 6 is no problem. Would also be interested in prove of this statement.

I did my three WR rows when I was 52 years old at max drag.

So, yes, I have ALREADY proved that older rowers can use high drag and succeed.

Never questioned rowing at high drag, sure this is possible.
Flooding several threats with advertising Conibear stroke technique does not make it different.
Would have been enough to mention it once and show results after your races

I don't know you and did not Google as well, but it seems you have a questionable past here in the forum...and current actions seem to resume at this point.

[PaulH]

Thank you all for your feedback on this thread and others. I don't know why ranger has been posting - the forum software thinks he is still banned, but clearly he's back. The original founder of this forum was not a fan of censorship, so perhaps his spirit has lifted the ban (he's not dead, just no longer with C2). In that same spirit I have, I hope, banned ranger again until the first of March 2024. I look forward to him coming back then, having raced at least once, to tell us about his great success with the Conibear stroke (just the one capital letter there, out of respect to Mr Conibear).

If ranger puts up then I will humbly shut up, and we can all learn from his experience. In the unlikely event that he turns out to be full of sound and fury, signifying nothing, then I'll reinstate the theoretically-permanent ban. Based on the last one that should take him to 82 years old, and presumably see him angling for a sub 5:30 time.

[ranger]

Thank you all for your feedback on this thread and others. I don't know why ranger has been posting - the forum software thinks he is still banned, but clearly he's back. The original founder of this forum was not a fan of censorship, so perhaps his spirit has lifted the ban (he's not dead, just no longer with C2). In that same spirit I have, I hope, banned ranger again until the first of March 2024. I look forward to him coming back then, having raced at least once, to tell us about his great success with the Conibear stroke (just the one capital letter there, out of respect to Mr Conibear).

If ranger puts up then I will humbly shut up, and we can all learn from his experience. In the unlikely event that he turns out to be full of sound and fury, signifying nothing, then I'll reinstate the theoretically-permanent ban. Based on the last one that should take him to 82 years old, and presumably see him angling for a sub 5:30 time.

Nope. I'm NOT banned. So it goes.