Is there an optimal stroke length?

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Sandeman
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Re: Is there an optimal stroke length?

Post by Sandeman » May 5th, 2022, 7:52 am

Is there a way to look back in history for my stroke lengths?
If not my last session was 1,27m and i'm 1,98m so that makes a ratio of 64%

I must add that I hurt my back lifting my old rower out of the house a couple of weeks ago so I can't catch as far forward as I want to.
1976 male from the Netherlands; 1m98 , 110kg, started RowErging in 03/2022
PB's: 100m=0:18.6, 500m=1:44.3; 1k=3:51.6, 2k=8:01.8, 5k=21:29.3, 6k=26:29.0, 10k=42:44.6, 30min=7,022m, 60min=13,304m

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Re: Is there an optimal stroke length?

Post by Sakly » May 5th, 2022, 11:17 am

Today a 60min steady state r20 @~2:07, switched to statistics page of ergData:
Stroke length: 95% 1,42, some 1,39 and 1,45, rarely 1,48.
Force max/mean: 95% 60/40kg, some 1-2kg above or below
Stroke speed: 14,5-15m/s

Height 1,77m, shins not past vertical, back feels not rounded, not even a bit...๐Ÿค”
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:26.2
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
My log

nick rockliff
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Re: Is there an optimal stroke length?

Post by nick rockliff » May 5th, 2022, 1:03 pm

Sakly wrote: โ†‘
May 5th, 2022, 11:17 am
Today a 60min steady state r20 @~2:07, switched to statistics page of ergData:
Stroke length: 95% 1,42, some 1,39 and 1,45, rarely 1,48.
Force max/mean: 95% 60/40kg, some 1-2kg above or below
Stroke speed: 14,5-15m/s

Height 1,77m, shins not past vertical, back feels not rounded, not even a bit...๐Ÿค”
Where did you find the statistics page in ergdata?
67 6' 4" 108kg
PBs 2k 6:16.4 5k 16:37.5 10k 34:35.5 30m 8727 60m 17059 HM 74:25.9 FM 2:43:48.8
50s PBs 2k 6.24.3 5k 16.55.4 6k 20.34.2 10k 35.19.0 30m 8633 60m 16685 HM 76.48.7
60s PBs 5k 17.51.2 10k 36.42.6 30m 8263 60m 16089 HM 79.16.6

Sakly
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Re: Is there an optimal stroke length?

Post by Sakly » May 5th, 2022, 1:23 pm

nick rockliff wrote: โ†‘
May 5th, 2022, 1:03 pm
Where did you find the statistics page in ergdata?
Hmm, statistics perhaps wrong name - real time data matches better ๐Ÿ˜‡
There are 3 pages, page 1 with basic stats and if you swipe left you get the mentioned stats. If you swipe again you get the logbook page.
I swiped to Page 2 during row to see these stats as I was interested to observe them during row triggered by this thread ๐Ÿ˜„
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:26.2
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
My log

nick rockliff
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Re: Is there an optimal stroke length?

Post by nick rockliff » May 5th, 2022, 2:01 pm

Sakly wrote: โ†‘
May 5th, 2022, 1:23 pm
nick rockliff wrote: โ†‘
May 5th, 2022, 1:03 pm
Where did you find the statistics page in ergdata?
Hmm, statistics perhaps wrong name - real time data matches better ๐Ÿ˜‡
There are 3 pages, page 1 with basic stats and if you swipe left you get the mentioned stats. If you swipe again you get the logbook page.
I swiped to Page 2 during row to see these stats as I was interested to observe them during row triggered by this thread ๐Ÿ˜„
Got it, I thought you had discovered something that isn't there but should be. I only use ergdata to count strokes and upload to my log book.
67 6' 4" 108kg
PBs 2k 6:16.4 5k 16:37.5 10k 34:35.5 30m 8727 60m 17059 HM 74:25.9 FM 2:43:48.8
50s PBs 2k 6.24.3 5k 16.55.4 6k 20.34.2 10k 35.19.0 30m 8633 60m 16685 HM 76.48.7
60s PBs 5k 17.51.2 10k 36.42.6 30m 8263 60m 16089 HM 79.16.6

dabatey
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Re: Is there an optimal stroke length?

Post by dabatey » May 5th, 2022, 2:30 pm

I think it needs mentioning that ergdata only measures the 'applied force' part of stroke length. So if OP is slow away at the beginning of the drive then stroke length may not be quite as short as 1.20m drive length implies.

I notice my own varies depending on whether I am pushing a hard (for me) pace or going a bit slower at steady state where my 'kick' doesn't apply force quite as quickly. Anything between 1.15m slow and 1.3m pushing things.
Age 52....Weight 61 Kg....
Row 26 Aug 21 to Mar 22. Cycle Mar 22 to Jun 24. Now mixing the 2.
2K 8.02.3 (23 Oct 21)...7.37.0(15 Mar 22)
5K 22.14 (2 Oct 21)
Resting HR 45 (was 48 in 2021)....Max HR (Seen) 182 [185 cycling]

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Re: Is there an optimal stroke length?

Post by Sakly » May 5th, 2022, 4:37 pm

nick rockliff wrote: โ†‘
May 5th, 2022, 2:01 pm
Sakly wrote: โ†‘
May 5th, 2022, 1:23 pm
nick rockliff wrote: โ†‘
May 5th, 2022, 1:03 pm
Where did you find the statistics page in ergdata?
Hmm, statistics perhaps wrong name - real time data matches better ๐Ÿ˜‡
There are 3 pages, page 1 with basic stats and if you swipe left you get the mentioned stats. If you swipe again you get the logbook page.
I swiped to Page 2 during row to see these stats as I was interested to observe them during row triggered by this thread ๐Ÿ˜„
Got it, I thought you had discovered something that isn't there but should be. I only use ergdata to count strokes and upload to my log book.
I use it for the same reason, but was interested in this stuff now ๐Ÿ˜„
dabatey wrote: โ†‘
May 5th, 2022, 2:30 pm
I think it needs mentioning that ergdata only measures the 'applied force' part of stroke length. So if OP is slow away at the beginning of the drive then stroke length may not be quite as short as 1.20m drive length implies.

I notice my own varies depending on whether I am pushing a hard (for me) pace or going a bit slower at steady state where my 'kick' doesn't apply force quite as quickly. Anything between 1.15m slow and 1.3m pushing things.
This was the reason why I listed also the other metrics, as they correlate to pace.
My stroke length is nearly the same for faster paces, but stroke speed and force must increase then as they are the factors which apply more force quicker, not longer (=more length). Or the stroke stays exactly the same and one needs to up the rate to apply more force over time and not per stroke.
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:26.2
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
My log

Titi
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Re: Is there an optimal stroke length?

Post by Titi » June 29th, 2022, 3:23 am

gilles13006 wrote: โ†‘
May 5th, 2022, 5:23 am
aussie nick wrote: โ†‘
May 5th, 2022, 5:15 am
faach1 wrote: โ†‘
May 5th, 2022, 4:43 am


ErgData gives you a value for the drive length on each stroke.
and does it store them for later analysis or do you just have to have erg data open and visible during your sessions to be able to view it?
No, there is not. You have to check at each time and making yourself an idea of your standard stroke length. Same for the force.

My better wish would be to have a Force Curve ยซย resumeย ยป.
I have been looking for the ideal force curve a long time!Did you know about it?Everyone told me the ideal means smooth,but without a precise appearance??

HowardF
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Re: Is there an optimal stroke length?

Post by HowardF » July 3rd, 2022, 2:05 pm

Interesting topic.
Did a 30 min. ( HR average mid UT2)

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
30:05.4 6,684m 2:15.0 142 788 15

Where i just focused on the stroke length to be over 1,3-1,33 M.

Yes, stroke length is something I need to improve on ( at the catch)
54 years, 183 cm, Norway

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