Under 7:20 now...still looking for SUB 7!

[G-dub]

OK - back on the subject. I thank Gary for once again confirming common sense with research. We all should be weight or resistance training for a whole host of reasons including the potential that it might actually improve 2K if done correctly.

[GJS]

Quite Henry, there's a relation between low pull and 2k pace, and, generally speaking, it's not an inverse one.

Imagine some kid approaching Newton or Einstein and saying ' hey I quite fancy coming up with a revolutionary idea that will overturn physics, do you think I should study maths?' and Isaac or Albert say in reply 'oh i shouldn't bother, just go sit under a tree or ride the tram, something will come up.'

In this convoluted parable you are Newton or Einstein (take your pick).

You are a strong fella Henry. You concede you are aerobically below par but pull 6:2x. Most your age are struggling to break 7.

Naturally, folk are relatively strong, relatively fit, but practically all would be best advised to work both on strength and endurance.

[hjs]

Quite Henry, there's a relation between low pull and 2k pace, and, generally speaking, it's not an inverse one.

Imagine some kid approaching Newton or Einstein and saying ' hey I quite fancy coming up with a revolutionary idea that will overturn physics, do you think I should study maths?' and Isaac or Albert say in reply 'oh i shouldn't bother, just go sit under a tree or ride the tram, something will come up.'

In this convoluted parable you are Newton or Einstein (take your pick).

You are a strong fella Henry. You concede you are aerobically below par but pull 6:2x. Most your age are struggling to break 7.

Naturally, folk are relatively strong, relatively fit, but practically all would be best advised to work both on strength and endurance.

I think in general if you can do something yourself, it doesn,t seem so special. If you really can,t it does.

The point remains, the slow fibers bring the most for rowers, and they work aerobicly, and can also be plenty strong. It not for nothing that top rowers make high meters at low strokerate. Thats 90% of the game, ofcourse after first having the right parents.

[lwtguy]

Murrey and Bond, among the best rowers ever, almost unbeatable, and on the erg low 5.40 2k, do zero weights.
Are you saying they would be better with extra strenght?

Explosive work? Movements are slow in rowing. Its just risky.

Flexibility? Only if you trouble at the angles you need. Working beyond those angles gives you nothing.

A general rule, we only use our energy once, anything not usefull, steeks energy from things that do help.

Ps not trying to put you down or anything, more just thinking out load.

I see where you're coming from. The explosive work, in my opinion, helps you to have a quicker and more efficient stroke rate (I'll admit that's more important OTW than it is on the erg). For guys that race more than once in a day or a few times in two days, the lifting can be a big benefit. When everyone is exhausted in the finals, the stronger and fitter people will win.

[hjs]

Murrey and Bond, among the best rowers ever, almost unbeatable, and on the erg low 5.40 2k, do zero weights.
Are you saying they would be better with extra strenght?

Explosive work? Movements are slow in rowing. Its just risky.

Flexibility? Only if you trouble at the angles you need. Working beyond those angles gives you nothing.

A general rule, we only use our energy once, anything not usefull, steeks energy from things that do help.

Ps not trying to put you down or anything, more just thinking out load.

I see where you're coming from. The explosive work, in my opinion, helps you to have a quicker and more efficient stroke rate (I'll admit that's more important OTW than it is on the erg). For guys that race more than once in a day or a few times in two days, the lifting can be a big benefit. When everyone is exhausted in the finals, the stronger and fitter people will win.

Staying on my hobby horse , racing more often for the best teams is often holding back a bit, the finals are the 100% efforts.

And again, not the stronger more anaerobe but the aerobicly fitter teams have the upperhand.

And really rowing or any sports thats takes 6/7 minutes is not explosive. Races are won in the latter stages, much less via a very fast first 100.

[nick rockliff]

Simon, I'm with you - it's hard to find an athletic event these days that doesn't support itself with weight training. Time becomes a factor I suppose and weight lifting alone won't get Mike to sub 7M which is clear. But not weight training seems very old school.

I've never lifted a weight and managed to get down to 6.16 for the 2k age 48. My 500 and 1k was always slow in comparison so maybe some weights may have helped those scores.

I got stuck on 6.20 and only progressed by doing more metres.

500/1k where "slow" cause you never ever trained for those.

Plenty of rowers do zero weights. I do, but don,t have the feeling it helps much, if any above 1k, and it seriously does hinder my erg training. Its more for general training and boredom from erging that I do other stuff.
Strenght is seldom the limiting factor on a 2k. Only guys who come from running/cycling often have very weak Upperbodies.

Lol, my 2k speed work wasn't all that good either