Ranger's training thread

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 20th, 2010, 6:55 pm

leadville wrote:you'll just be dead slow
I don't care, really.

I just enjoy rowing.

But I am not enjoying this much anymore.

Perhaps this poem will explain.

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We All Know It

That silence is best ; that action and re-
Action are equal: that control, discipline, and
Liberation are bywords when spoken by an appraiser, that the
Accidental sometimes achieves perfection, loath though we may be to admit it:

And that the realm of art is the realm in
Which to look for "fishbones in the throat of the gang." Pin-
Pricks and the unstereotyped embarrassment being the contin-
Ual diet of artists. And in spite of it all, poets ask us just what it

Is in them that we cannot subscribe to:
People overbear till told to stop: no matter through
What sobering process they have gone, some inquire if emotion, true
And simulated are not the same thing: promoters request us to take an oath

That appearances are not cosmic: mis-
Fits in the world of achievement want to know what bus-
Iness people have to reserve judgment about undertakings. It is
A strange idea that one must say what one thinks in order to be understood.

--Marianne Moore

So it goes.

It is fun to talk about things that are primarily physical, emotional, and imaginative--like art, and all sports are arts.

But this talk is not generally appreciated.

I enjoy it.

But silence is indeed probably best, given the audience here.

This forum is all about quantitative, verifiable action and social performance.

I don't think these things have much at all to do with art, and therefore with what is most interesting and important about sport.

As Marianne Moore likes to say about poetry: "Ecstasy affords the occasion; expediency determines the form."

"It is one of the paradoxes of art that a work can only be universal if it is rooted in a part of its creator which is most privately and particularly himself."

"Discoveries in art, certainly, are personal before they are general."

Sorry, Joe, but I think your book on sculling (_The Art of Sculling_) is mistitled.

_The Science/Mechanics/Rigamarole of Rowing_ would be more appropriate.

IMHO, equating art with its mechanics/rigamarole is a _huge_ mistake.

I don't have much interest at all in the science/mechanics/rigamarole of rowing, although I am willing to learn about some of it in order to pursue what _does_ interest me.

The things I am interested in, I guess, can't be said here.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 20th, 2010, 7:03 pm

ausrwr wrote:Why are you doing this to yourself?
By chatting here about my rowing?

Nothing very productive, given the audience.

Silence is probably best.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by jliddil » August 20th, 2010, 9:02 pm

ranger wrote: Silence is probably best.
ranger
Say no more
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » August 20th, 2010, 9:18 pm

So... Ricardo...
it took 200 pages on this topic and 7 years of other blather to determine that "silence is best" :oops:

And then there's your:

"This forum is all about quantitative, verifiable action and social performance."
... Rich: This thread is about... not much at all verifiable...
Otherwise you'd employ the monitor on your erg to provide IND_V workouts. What does the 'V" stand for, anyway?

In sum: your 'Is done at" (undoubtably quantitative) ... is a term that (for you) is always either currently theoretical or anciently historical (as in one of your prior age groups).. but always hysterical.

Why posit that silence is best for the future?.. You've remained virtually silent about your training since day one ... :idea:

BTW: Have you booked airfare for BIRC?

oh, and did I ask: Have you booked airfare for BIRC?

How about: Have you booked airfare for BIRC?

Didn't think so...
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by jliddil » August 20th, 2010, 9:39 pm

mikvan52 wrote:stuff
Mike can you not resist?
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by leadville » August 20th, 2010, 9:57 pm

ranger wrote:
leadville wrote:you'll just be dead slow
I don't care, really.
I just enjoy rowing.
But I am not enjoying this much anymore.
-snip-
This forum is all about quantitative, verifiable action and social performance.

ranger
Rangerboy - what a crock. You spend most of your time in front of a keyboard telling us all how quantitatively you are better faster than guys you've never rowed against based on some twisted uninformed ignorant metrics only you understand. Then you wax all philosophic and hit us with this crap?
This sport is about respect and effort and helping - and honoring - your competitors. None of which you've given the slightest hint of understanding.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » August 20th, 2010, 10:02 pm

ranger wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:See how they don't open their backs as early as you do?
For most 60s rowers, I suspect that the major problem is not when they open their backs but (snip)
Huge error on your part.

Go to fisa.feedroom.com and watch the Brit women's 2x at Lucerne... Listen to the commentary 4 minutes in..
It is specific to how the back should be opened in sculling...

Bad rowers initiate with extreme back movement to the bow that finishes before the legs. Or, they row "over the top" and lose suspension.

Your affinity to ratio of drive to recovery is too intense and myopic... Ratio varies for different body types...

Should you desire to improve your boat speed, refocus your attention on SUSPENSION... and vector forces. Timing will fall into place by itself, particularly if you go to a quick hands away technique while holding your legs down and your body in the bow... This is quite different than what you do now (as evidenced by all your videos, on and off the water.

Experiment with this OTW.. I think you'll find that you'll move the Windhover faster with the same effort.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by TomR » August 20th, 2010, 11:45 pm

leadville wrote: Rangerboy - what a crock. You spend most of your time in front of a keyboard telling us all how quantitatively you are better faster than guys you've never rowed against based on some twisted uninformed ignorant metrics only you understand. Then you wax all philosophic and hit us with this crap?
This sport is about respect and effort and helping - and honoring - your competitors. None of which you've given the slightest hint of understanding.
This has been true of him for more than 5 years and thousands of posts. Surely you knew this.

The madness of people badgering Ranger is as mad as Ranger's own madness.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » August 21st, 2010, 12:07 pm

ranger wrote: Silence is probably best.
ranger

What is this, September first to close bye so you go into hiding. Happend before, you will be back soon. If not you finaly should pay your lost bet to me. Like you said you would...............

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » August 21st, 2010, 4:43 pm

Of course he`l be back. Its his very reason for living. Cant wait to see him at BIRC. I`l be sitting in the crowd with my sniper rif.. er i mean my hotdog and my beer to cheer our hero to victory.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Steve G » August 21st, 2010, 6:39 pm

jliddil wrote:
ranger wrote: Silence is probably best.
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Say no more
Reminds me of the famous Mont Python sketch :D
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by stroke » August 22nd, 2010, 2:16 am

Of course Ranger has now started to blog on the UK forum. Ya gotta love his work

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Steve G » August 22nd, 2010, 3:59 am

stroke wrote:Of course Ranger has now started to blog on the UK forum. Ya gotta love his work
First blog since last March when he was ignored for ages and moved over to you guys!
His drag is now down to 118, I thought the stroke was fixed etc!!
Any bets on the September 1st 2K?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » August 22nd, 2010, 5:11 am

hjs wrote:
ranger wrote: Silence is probably best.
ranger

What is this, September first to close bye so you go into hiding. Happend before, you will be back soon. If not you finaly should pay your lost bet to me. Like you said you would...............
So that is silence, run to an other, even bigger, place...............

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » August 22nd, 2010, 7:57 am

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as our wunderkind quips: "So it goes"

Click Here for ranger's UK blog.

"pride goeth before the fall"
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