Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

you miss top end speed

No, I don't.

I'll get some 500m trials in this next year and demonstrate.

I think I will do 1:23, when I am fully prepared for it.

That's plenty fast for my purposes.

At 13 SPI, that's 47 spm.

I have done 400m at 1:20, but that was at max drag, rowing badly.

More than a bit of a thrash: 56 spm @ 12 SPI.

Useless stuff.

Too disorganized.

That's why I never found it useful to do 500m trials.

ranger

[hjs]

you miss top end speed

No, I don't.

I'll get some 500m trials in this next year and demonstrate.

I think I will do 1:23, when I am fully prepared for it.

ranger

Ah you start thinking again. 1.30 would be good for you. Not much faster.

And you know I am much better in predicting what you will do then you are I have got the facts to back that up

[PaulH]

I haven't started to race OTW yet.

I thought it might be good to learn to row first before I race.

Makes sense, no?

Kind of - I raced once I'd learned to row, but in the same season (that's why there are novice races). I did terribly, of course, but then so did everyone else; we were novices. Amazingly, however, those few miles of head racing did no harm to my technique or fitness, while giving me a little insight into what it means to race on a river against other shells. And we didn't wait for 5 years claiming to be learning how to row.

Anyway, my question is why don't you apply the same rule to predicting what you'll be able to do? Why not learn to row first before you state what you're going to do in a race?

[NavigationHazard]

I have done 400m at 1:20, but that was at max drag, rowing badly. More than a bit of a thrash: 56 spm @ 12 SPI. Useless stuff. Too disorganized. That's why I never found it useful to do 500m trials....

Perhaps you'd have more success at 500m trials if you didn't stop at 400m. True, there is no way in hell you actually managed 400m in 64 seconds (1:20 pace). Maybe you saw one stroke at 1:20 once in your life, although I doubt it since any such vision would have had to have included St. Peter and the Book of Judgment.

How's that balanced training coming? You know, the training that's so balanced it hasn't included a sharpening workout or a timed distance row in seven years....

[ranger]

Gorgeous day OTW--50 degrees F. and calm.

Got some nice stuff figured out.

As it turns out, I needed to let my boat run quite a bit more before dropping my oars in the water and firing off with my legs.

I like to count out a rhythm in a 2-to-1 ratio, but that ratio is much too low.

If I am rowing at 22 spm, I need to be in a 3-to-1 ratio to give the boat a proper run.

That's .7 seconds for the drive; 2.1 seconds for the recovery.

I'll check this out, but I think I also need to be in a 3-to-1 ratio on the erg if I am doing UT2 rowing at 22 spm, e.g., 1:48 @ 22 spm.

Got into some nice 2:04 at 24 spm today OTW.

Delighted with that.

7.6 SPI

That would be a nice target for some head races this fall.

7.6 SPI is just what Mike VB was pulling at 34 spm going 1:50 in his 1K the other day.

At 18 seconds per 500m over erg times, 2:04 @ 24 spm OTW is like 1:46 @ 24 spm (12.1 SPI) on the erg.

ranger

[leadville]

Auswr
Well said. Would like to see your views 'post pub'.

Rich, a few things before I go to the pub...

1: I may not have access to your 'proof' that you can row fast. That's fine. Neither do you. You have no proof that you can row fast. Self-belief is great, but not necessarily all that matters. I can tell myself I run faster than Usain Bolt as much as I want, but it doesn't mean that it's true.

2: Dietz might be able to row 1:56 for 5k. And probably can. What I was referring to is that you can't row 2:06 for 3 miles, or 5k, or 1k. It doesn't matter if you were rowing on 35 degree water, with stream, rating 50. You can't do 2:06, or 1:56, or whatever. And you don't.

3: Will I be rowing at 60? Will my mate? Well, I probably will. Not having achieved that much in rowing (though a little more than you) I'll keep going. My mate is a world champ, Olympian, all that sort of thing. She's done enough.

4: You are a good athlete, but not as good as you think. A good lightweight (like you think you are) will happily knock out a sub 33 10k running (judged on my experience of lightweights), or be ridiculously quick on the bike. Your just-sub-3-hours marathon while you were running 60 - 80 miles a week indicates that you are not of that calibre.

5: You are an idiot. You have no idea how fast the people you are intending to race (and denigrating relentlessly) are. Assuming that you turn up at an OTW race, they will make you look like the fool that you are.

6: All this is a moot point. You won't turn up at a race OTW this, or any other, year. If you were as good as you say, you'd be falling over yourself to prove it.

7: Why are you doing this to yourself? You are missing out on every positive aspect of rowing and competition. The mutual respect, the hard-earned beers after the race, the chance to compare yourself. The way you can train on your own and have no respect for anyone is utterly terrifying.

[ranger]

In 2006, I did 500r30 @ 1:30.

That's 16 SPI.

ranger

[ranger]

Why are you doing this to yourself?

Learning how to row well?

Staying in great shape?

Training myself to break WRs by massive margins?

Easy.

It's fun.

I am having a blast.

I like to work hard and do well.

It's also fun to learn new skills.

ranger

[ranger]

If I keep the drive constant, as I like to do, and if I am in a 3-to-1 ratio at 22 spm, I will be in a 2-to-1 ratio at 29 spm.

.7 seconds for the drive; 1.4 seconds for the recovery.

There's my HOCR stroke.

29 spm

2-to-1 ratio

ranger

[ranger]

I wilil be in a 1-to-1 ratio at 43 spm.

.7 seconds for the drive; .7 seconds for the recovery.

There my stroke for 500m.

ranger

[ranger]

With a .7 second drive, I am in the "Golden Ratio," 1.7-to-1, at 35 spm.

.7 seconds for the drive; 1.7 seconds for the recovery.

There is my 2K racing stroke.

ranger

[ranger]

At 22 spm, I am in pentameter!

Five measures of four pulses.

I'll have to get out my Milton, Shakespeare, and Wordsworth and sing along.



Five STROKES have past; / five summers, with the length
Of (STROKE!) long win / -ters! and again I hear
These STROKers, roll/ - ing from their mountain-springs
With (STROKE!) strong in- / land murmur.--Once again
I (STROKE!) behold / these steep and lofty cliffs,
That (STROKED!) in wild / secluded scenes impress
Thoughts (STROKE!) of deep / seclusion; and connect
These STROKers with / the quiet of the sky.



Interestingly, lines of pentameter take about 2-3 seconds to say.

At 22 spm, my stroke cycle is 2.7 seconds.

I say the eight lines above in about 23 seconds.

8 x 2.7 is 21.6 seconds.

I especially like the syncopated, phrasally asymmetrical, enjambed penultimate line.

Great rowing!

The phrasing of the first line nicely separates drive and recovery, as does the fifth line.

The last line is also nice this way, given that it isolates the last noun phrase in the recovery.

These STROKers with / the quiet of the sky.

---drive---------/-----recovery------

ranger

P.S. Apologies to Wordsworth:

"Tintern Abbey," lines 1-8

FIVE years have past; five summers, with the length
Of five long winters! and again I hear
These waters, rolling from their mountain-springs
With a soft inland murmur. -- Once again
Do I behold these steep and lofty cliffs,
That on a wild secluded scene impress
Thoughts of more deep seclusion; and connect
The landscape with the quiet of the sky.

[Nosmo]

Got into some nice 2:04 at 24 spm today OTW.
Delighted with that.
7.6 SPI

NO IT IS NOT!

7.6 SPI is just what Mike VB was pulling at 34 spm going 1:50 in his 1K the other day.

NO IT IS NOT.
Figure out why. Start by precisely defining Power then Power OTW, then SPI.

[ranger]

Got into some nice 2:04 at 24 spm today OTW.
Delighted with that.
7.6 SPI

NO IT IS NOT!

7.6 SPI is just what Mike VB was pulling at 34 spm going 1:50 in his 1K the other day.

NO IT IS NOT.
Figure out why. Start by precisely defining Power then Power OTW, then SPI.

Close enough.

Now, if I am rowing well, I also go 1:50 when I raise the rate to 34 spm.

If you do 2:04 @ 24 spm and, holding your technique steady, raise the rate to 34 spm, you go 1:50.

ranger

[mikvan52]

I am in the "Golden Ratio"

Funny... I haven't seen hide nor hair of Sir Pirate or the HRH handbag....



... must be a false alarm