Ranger's training thread

[hjs]

Yawn..My UT capabilities are just dandy, actually....

Really?

To set the 55s hwt WR, you will have to do 60min, 1:44 @ 24 spm.

Can you?

ranger

Hmmmm so before you can row a 2k your first have to row a 60 min piece. If this is so we will have to drop your results from last season, you did not do a 60 min time trial........

[ranger]

What training didn't YOU do today?

I'm not done with my training today, but as the logic of the matter turns out, I didn't do most things.

Most days, I have been rowing 15K on the erg and then 10K OTW.

ranger

[ranger]

Hmmmm so before you can row a 2k your first have to row a 60 min piece. If this is so we will have to drop your results from last season, you did not do a 60 min time trial........

True.

Since 2003, my 2Ks have just been AT rows--if that.

I haven't prepared for them.

This year, I'll indeed do a 60min trial before I race at BIRC, as part of my preparation.

I'll also do hard sharpening--for three months.

Then I'll continue to sharpening for another three months, to prepare for WIRC.

If your training and physical capacities are balanced, as mine are, all distance trials are predictive, as are all sharpening routines.

60min is done at 2K + 10.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

Yawn. To set the 55 MHW record for 2k I'd have to do 6:18.5 on an erg. Period.

In the meantime I'm going down to the boathouse to prepare for a head race. On real water. You should try it sometime. Oh wait. Real head races have clocks, and referees, and someone else's scales for LWs, and spectators with cameras, and really really fast competitors like Mike. Plus they're held in daylight, where everyone can see you. Never mind.....

ps. Of course you've not done with your training today. You haven't done any. When dawn breaks you still won't have done any of the pieces you said you were going to do. When the sun sets tonight you won't have done any of them. When the sun burns down to a cold hard cinder in a coal-black absolute-zero sky you won't have done any of them either. Fraud.

[ranger]

Of course you've not done with your training today. You haven't done any.

I have done my 15K OTErg.

I will do my 10K OTW at 6 a.m., just before the sun comes up.

Just my normal routine.

ranger

[whp4]

For a lightweight of any age, 1:44 @ 24 spm is perfect everyday rowing.

According to the IP plan, 24 spm is top-end UT1 rate, and 1:44 @ 24 spm is 13 SPI, the ideal stroking power for a lightweight.

For me, the added bonus is that, again according to the IP plan, 1:44 @ 24 is top-end UT1 for a 6:16 2K, right on my 2K target.

I am now rowing perfectly (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.), and not just at low rates.

Now, I just need to keep doing it.

30K a day would be a maximum, I think.

At 30 seconds per break, that's almost an hour just spent taking breaks

This is Caviston's Level 3 rowing.

For Level 3 rowing, Caviston likes to start at 12K in September and build up to 30K by February.

Maybe you'll be able to work your way up to 5k if you keep at it!

This year, that might be a good thing for me to try, too.

Indeed it might. If you are serious about the HOCR, you'll need to be able to row for more than the 7 1/2 minutes which appears to be your current limit.

No need to push it, either in any individual session, or as the days, weeks, and months go by.

Probably true, as we all know that the talk of OTW racing is just talk, and will never be anything more than talk from you.

But in the end, there are much better ways to get the job done.

Too bad you haven't discovered any of them.

OTW, you _have_ to use your legs as your primary and initial levers.

OTW, you can't yank the oars with your back and arms at the catch, much less jack up the rate while doing so.

If you do, you will need to practice flip turns and the back stroke, too.

When you row OTW, you will spend most of your time in the water--swimming.

As I did.

For once, some honesty about your efforts!

[ranger]

In the meantime I'm going down to the boathouse to prepare for a head race.

Ah.

Good luck with the race.

What sort of rate and pace are you shooting for, if conditions are good?

ranger

[ranger]

Fraud.

My erg races have been just as public as everyone else's.

Nothing fraudulent about them at all.

Not sure what would motivate you to say that they are.

They are even on video and have been viewed by everyone here.

How I train is up to me.

No reason that I have to train when, where, and how you train.

I haven't started to race OTW yet.

I thought it might be good to learn to row first before I race.

Makes sense, no?

I have mastered some things about rowing OTW, but I am still working on other things.

When I get them figured out and feel I am competent, I'll race.

As i mentioned, I might try a head race or two this fall.

Then I might try some sprints next spring and summer.

Then I might try to get into the veterans race at the HOCR next fall, when I am 60.

ranger

[ranger]

To set the 55 MHW record for 2k I'd have to do 6:18.5 on an erg

Duh.

But to do 6:18.5 for 2K on the erg, you will have to be capable of 1:44 @ 24 spm for 60min on the erg, too.

No way of getting around it, especially at your age.

So, if you are not yet ready to sit down and rip of a 6:18 2K, why not do 1:44 @ 24 spm for 60min instead?

Same thing, really.

Just comes in a different wrapper.

ranger

[hjs]

Hmmmm so before you can row a 2k your first have to row a 60 min piece. If this is so we will have to drop your results from last season, you did not do a 60 min time trial........

True.

Since 2003, my 2Ks have just been AT rows--if that.


ranger

So you could have kept that pace for 5 k But still you take breaks.


So you are a ......................

[hjs]

To set the 55 MHW record for 2k I'd have to do 6:18.5 on an erg

Duh.

But to do 6:18.5 for 2K on the erg, you will have to be capable of 1:44 @ 24 spm for 60min on the erg, too.

No way of getting around it, especially at your age.

So, if you are not yet ready to sit down and rip of a 6:18 2K, why not do 1:44 @ 24 spm for 60min instead?

Same thing, really.

Just comes in a different wrapper.

ranger

Hmm I did row 6.18 or better at least 10 times, but never rowed 1.44 for the hour. Simple facts.............

[Byron Drachman]

April 22, 2009: I have been doing dedicated and focused OTW rowing for five years. --snip--
I am now ready to race OTW.

June 28, 2010: I will enter a full round of head races in September and October.

August 20, 2010: As i mentioned, I might try a head race or two this fall.

[ranger]

April 22, 2009: I have been doing dedicated and focused OTW rowing for five years. --snip--
I am now ready to race OTW.

June 28, 2010: I will enter a full round of head races in September and October.

August 20, 2010: As i mentioned, I might try a head race or two this fall.

Just plans, Byron, intentions.

Sure, I am a little slow getting things done, but I seem to be executing my overall intentions nicely, however delayed.

Things are coming along _very_ well.

ranger

[ranger]

Hmm I did row 6.18 or better at least 10 times, but never rowed 1.44 for the hour.

Sure, you can have imbalanced training and fall way short of your potential.

No problem.

The lazy man's game is always an option.

You just won't set any WRs that way, as Nav is trying to do, although I would be delighted to have you show me I am wrong about this.

Try rowing under 6:18 when you are 55 years old, as Nav is trying to do.

That will tell the story.

ranger

[hjs]

Hmm I did row 6.18 or better at least 10 times, but never rowed 1.44 for the hour.

Sure, you can have imbalanced training and fall way short of your potential.

No problem.

You just won't set any WRs that way, as Nav is trying to do.

Try rowing under 6:18 when you are 55 years old.

That will tell the story.

ranger

That's what you say. I can say the same for you, you miss top end speed, so your training is imbalanced too, your 1k is too weak.

The truth is, there is no such golden rule, sure there are rough guides, but everybody is different. Some people are made for long work others are better at shorter work. They can do all the training in the world but can,t alter that.
A very simple example, even for you, is looking at Cycling, those guys more or less do the same, but some are good climbers others never get well over a mountain, others have good endspeed, some can,t safe there lifes if they needed to sprint for it.
That has nothing to do with training but is pure basic talent.