The Two Types of Training

[lancs]

Beautiful distance stroke now 1:43 @ 29 spm

Fairly irrelevant use of the term 'distance stroke' here, given you can't row beyond 3 or 4k or so at that pace. That was your 5k pace of 7 years ago and no doubt as a hwt too. You're now 7 years older and, as the decline in your 2k times has shown, correspondingly slower as a result.

It's time for me to leave this thread for a while as it's clear that you have no intention whatsoever of posting any of your alleged distance trials this year or any other. They'll only confirm that your times are modest at best for the hwt group that you'd be rowing as.

Please do send me a PM if you post *any* distance trials whatsoever in the next month.

Good luck with your training. I'm personally glad that whilst you've had the best 55-59 lwt times for the last couple of years you've not even had the guts to turn up at a WIRC (for 5 years?!?) or got anywhere close to Roy's 'soft' WR time. That speaks volumes for me..

[NavigationHazard]

(snip) Good luck with your training. I'm personally glad that whilst you've had the best 55-59 lwt times for the last couple of years you've not even had the guts to turn up at a WIRC (for 5 years?!?) or got anywhere close to Roy's 'soft' WR time. That speaks volumes for me..

Specifically, I'm guessing volumes 6 and 19 of the revised Oxford English Dictionary: "EXercise to FAilure" and "SLow to STop" respectively....

[ranger]

Good luck with your training.

Thanks.

But if you want to know how my rowing is going, you'll have to find out yourself.

That's not very hard.

Just check the rankings.

Good luck with your spectating.

ranger

[ranger]

airly irrelevant use of the term 'distance stroke' here

No,, it's not, if the rowing is under my anaerobic threshold, which it was this morning.

If I push it, when I am fully trained, I can row for a HM with my HR at my anaerobic threshold.

That's a fair distance.

So the term "distance stroke" for my rowing, 1:43 @ 29 spm, is entirely appropriate.

In distance training, the issue is just getting used to rowing at your anaerobic threshold in a more and more relaxed way for longer and longer periods.

This is just a gradual process.

No need to force it.

It just happens, if you keep at it.

Compared to what I have been doing for the last five years, the _huge_ change is that I am now rowing at 29 spm rather than 19 spm, etc.

I never have to return to rowing at low rates.

That is just "learning to row" (LTR).

I no longer have to learn to row.

I now row well (13 SPI at low rates, 12 SPI when racing, 11 SPI for distance rowing).

1:43 @ 29 spm is pretty much 2K race pace for Rocket Roy and Mile VB, and well beyond race pace for any 60s lightweight now rowing.

Roy and Mike will not be 60 until well into 2012.

They are younger than I am by a year and half or so.

ranger

[rjw]

Beautiful distance stroke now 1:43 @ 29 spm, tucked in under my anaerobic threshold.

Rich, there is no denying that this type of stoke would be a beautiful distance stroke. Too bad that it has absolutely no relevance as you omit the distance that you can do this for yet you imply that you could do this for 5k plus. Sure!

[ranger]

there is no denying that this type of stoke would be a beautiful distance stroke.

Yes, it is.

Mike and Roy can do 1:43 @ 29 spm, but not as a distance stroke, because their anaerobic thresholds are too low.

Mike's anaerobic threshold is 143 bpm.

Roy's is 153 bpm.

When I am pulling 1:43 @ 29 spm, my HR is at 170 bpm.

But for me, that's fine for distance rowing.

My anaerobic threshold is 172 bpm.

I can do a HM with my HR at 170 bpm.

ranger

[chgoss]

Beautiful distance stroke now 1:43 @ 29 spm, tucked in under my anaerobic threshold.

Fairly irrelevant use of the term 'distance stroke' here

No,, it's not, if the rowing is under my anaerobic threshold, which it was this morning.
.....

Translation: "I can row for 2 hours, doing short periods of 1:43/29SPM, resting in between, with my HR never going over 170"

Rich is NOT saying, that he can row for 2 hours straight at 1:43 for a total distance of 34,950m.

Most people would designate that as purposefully misleading language...

[ranger]

Most people would designate that as purposefully misleading language...

No, it's not.

When I am doing 1:43 @ 29 spm, my HR is stably below my anaerobic threshold.

When I am fully trained up for it, I can row a HM at my anaerobic threshold.

The training process is just getting more and more relaxed with rowing longer and longer at my anaerobic threshold.

There is no magical process.

It is just normal, day-to-day effort.

If I keep doing it, it will happen, just naturally.

Mike and Roy can't do 1:43 @ 29 spm as a distance rate and pace, no matter how they train, for obvious physiological reasons.

Current 60s lightweights just can't do 1:43 @ 29 spm at all, for skeletal-muscular reasons.They don't have the stroking power.

I have neither limitation.

For me, doing it for a HM is just a matter of training, given my high anaerobic threshold and better technique, my improved effectiveness and efficiency.

ranger

[aharmer]

chgoss wrote:
Most people would designate that as purposefully misleading language...

No, it's not.

So again I ask, please go down to your machine and post the screenshot of your piece this morning. It's sitting there waiting for you. I know you haven't looked at it, because you weren't racing, but it's still there. Let's see it. The act of posting this will not compromise your training. The only thing it would compromise is your pride because it would show nothing anywhere near what you claim. If we're all so wrong about what you're doing then post it.

[jliddil]

When done well, the 2K is wildly anaerobic.


ranger

OK so we agree glycolysis plays little role here. So my challenge to you and anyone else is to row full out for 2 minutes with a full face mask on that allows no air to be breathed in. Or how about a fullout 2k simple holding your breath.

My challenge still stands

[ranger]

The 60s lwt WR for 60min is 16K/1:52.

Mike and Roy have top-end UT1 ("threshold") paces that are right about this historical standard.

Top-end UT1 is done at 2K + 10.

In 2003, when I pulled a lwt 6:28, top-end UT1 for me was 1:48.

I pulled 16.7K/1:48 for 60min.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

My challenge still stands

That's because anyone trying it won't be standing for very long. They'll be horizontal, being pumped full of embalming fluid....

[ranger]

If we're all so wrong about what you're doing then post it.

Post what?

What I am doing is getting used to relaxing while rowing at my anaerobic threshold for longer and longer periods?

How do I post _that_?

That's training, not racing.

Time over distance rowed is the recording of a race.

The PM4 has no way to record relaxation and habituation.

No worry.

The combination of these three leads to the result you want demonstrated--inevitably:

(1) I have an anaerobic threshold of 172 bpm.

(2) Given my improved effectiveness and efficiency, I can now row 1:43 @ 29 spm with my HR flat at 170 bpm.

(3) When I am fully trained up for it, I can row with my heart rate at my anaerobic threshold for a HM.

Mike and Roy can do (2) and (3).

They just don't have (1).

For them, 1:43 is TR, not UT1.

ranger

[Nosmo]

It's time for me to leave this thread for a while as it's clear that you have no intention whatsoever of posting any of your alleged distance trials this year or any other.

You are just finguring this out now?

[aharmer]

Are you disputing the fact that your monitor records what you do on a daily basis? Listen, I don't believe when you say you don't pay attention to the monitor, but that's my issue not yours. Let's assume you're telling the truth. Unless you have some method of turning off the monitor so it will not record, there is a record of what you do. Post a screenshot from the monitor's memory of your most recent piece this morning. It should show something along the lines of 60-120 minutes at 1:44-1:49 with an average HR of high 160's due to the ramp up prior to stabilizing at your AT of 172. That's what you claim to do every day. I just want to see a picture of it.

Or more truthfully, is that 120 minutes broken up into so many segments, that it would actually read more like 120 minutes at 1:58 with average HR of 150. There's one way to prove it to myself and everybody else, and it requires nothing more than a simple point and click.