New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Gammmmo » August 14th, 2016, 1:41 pm

sjors, well done chap - very impressive numbers. (I think you were built for rowing :wink: )
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by sjors » August 14th, 2016, 2:35 pm

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sjors wrote:Just fulfilled my target 2k in 6:35.3. http://log.concept2.com/rankings/detail ... al/1076802. Absolutely not an easy goal at reaching the final 500 m. A few times I thought, I quit, I can not complete within 6:39:9. Previous attempts went much easier. A few weeks ago I promised myself to reach for a new personal best on 2k before going on holiday. I did not have the best preparation. Had to skip a few training sessions because of belly problems. So finally I tried to compensate these by doing some power sessions like 5 x 0:30 max on 200 drag factor with 2 minutes rest in between, with the believe to increase strength and it would be easier to maintain my 2k target pace 1:38. Probably that helped just a little.

I started rowing this year. I have been running and cycling whole my life, but had never the same level of self-competition as with rowing now. I like the feeling being fit. Although running still gives me the greatest feeling of freedom, the erging suites me physically much better. I'm way to heavy build for running and therefore reaching very soon injuries.

So now that I'm already planning my next goals, this year under 6:30, next year under 6:25 and at the age of 55, maybe under 6:20. I beleave when I give my upper body enough time to build more strength, while maintaining my endurance, this will be possible.
Wow.. way to go dude! Only been rowing since this year and produce that. Very well done indeed! Major congrats, and best of luck with all of your future rowing goals :)
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by sjors » August 14th, 2016, 2:36 pm

hjs wrote:Nice work Sjors, stay ambitious. 6.20 at 55 would be pretty impressive.
A way to stay young, I suppose.... :oops:
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by sjors » August 14th, 2016, 2:40 pm

Bob S. wrote:Impressive stats in your profile. Have you entered them in the nonathlon? http://www.nonathlon.com

Ah! I should I checked first. I see that you have already. All of them over 900 - very good. Completing that missing 30' piece would probably get you into the top 15 overall and in the top 7 of those who have done all but the marathon. In fact, since your 5k and 6k are your best score, it could be the top 10 and 5. The middle distances seem to be your strong area.

Fantastic for such a short period of rowing!

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Hi bob,
Correct. And not to forget the FM. Target 2:40. But since I'm rather competitive, I need some sort of drinking on the go. Anybody any recommendations?
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by sjors » August 14th, 2016, 2:41 pm

Gammmmo wrote:sjors, well done chap - very impressive numbers. (I think you were built for rowing :wink: )
:idea: :D
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Post by Bob S. » August 14th, 2016, 6:40 pm

sjors wrote: Hi bob,
Correct. And not to forget the FM. Target 2:40. But since I'm rather competitive, I need some sort of drinking on the go. Anybody any recommendations?
That is a topic that has often been discussed on this forum. I don't have any specific references, but you can probably find some by doing a search of the forum. My own approach was to do a series of longer and longer pieces to get used to both dehydration and pain of the long rows, especially pain in the seat. Eventually I could do the half marathon without needing a drink break and managed to do marathons with only one break to drink and stretch. For all of the long pieces, I would tank up fairly well beforehand, but take care to not need a bathroom break in the middle of a piece. Others have devised ways to grab a quick drink, or even a snack, during stroke recoveries. The biggest problem is seat pain. For that, I used 2 small folded towels, with a gap between to allow air flow for cooling.

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sjors wrote:
Bob S. wrote:Impressive stats in your profile. Have you entered them in the nonathlon? http://www.nonathlon.com

Ah! I should I checked first. I see that you have already. All of them over 900 - very good. Completing that missing 30' piece would probably get you into the top 15 overall and in the top 7 of those who have done all but the marathon. In fact, since your 5k and 6k are your best score, it could be the top 10 and 5. The middle distances seem to be your strong area.

Fantastic for such a short period of rowing!

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Hi bob,
Correct. And not to forget the FM. Target 2:40. But since I'm rather competitive, I need some sort of drinking on the go. Anybody any recommendations?
Camelbak hydration system

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by hjs » August 15th, 2016, 5:20 pm

Number one for a marathon, conditions, make sure its very cool even cold.

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Post by Bob S. » August 15th, 2016, 5:48 pm

hjs wrote:Number one for a marathon, conditions, make sure its very cool even cold.
Especially if a Camelbak is used. Over 2 and a half hours of heavy upper body work in one of those straightjackets will generate and hold an enormous amount of heat. Some have used a similar supply hanging within reach for a quick swig from the tube in passing.

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Post by hjs » August 15th, 2016, 5:50 pm

Bob S. wrote:
hjs wrote:Number one for a marathon, conditions, make sure its very cool even cold.
Especially if a Camelbak is used. Over 2 and a half hours of heavy upper body work in one of those straightjackets will generate and hold an enormous amount of heat. Some have used a similar supply hanging within reach for a quick swig from the tube in passing.

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That thing is not a serious option, a few cups of drink nearby and one handed erging is a lot better.

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Post by sjors » August 16th, 2016, 7:55 am

hjs wrote:Number one for a marathon, conditions, make sure its very cool even cold.
And find balance between glycogeen and fat burning or enough extra sugar while rowing. When running and cycling you can eat while maintane speed....
A camelbak could help, but I here you think, that that's to hot and therefore you sweat to much?
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New P

Post by hjs » August 16th, 2016, 8:33 am

sjors wrote:
hjs wrote:Number one for a marathon, conditions, make sure its very cool even cold.
And find balance between glycogeen and fat burning or enough extra sugar while rowing. When running and cycling you can eat while maintane speed....
A camelbak could help, but I here you think, that that's to hot and therefore you sweat to much?
Never heard someone pull a serieus time, with a camelback.
Don,t know how you eat, depends a lot, I am not in the school of overly carb Eating. You can eat and drink some, practice 1 hand rowing, you can quickly eat/drink that way without much timeloss.

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hjs wrote:
sjors wrote:
hjs wrote:Number one for a marathon, conditions, make sure its very cool even cold.
And find balance between glycogeen and fat burning or enough extra sugar while rowing. When running and cycling you can eat while maintane speed....
A camelbak could help, but I here you think, that that's to hot and therefore you sweat to much?
Never heard someone pull a serieus time, with a camelback.
Don,t know how you eat, depends a lot, I am not in the school of overly carb Eating. You can eat and drink some, practice 1 hand rowing, you can quickly eat/drink that way without much timeloss.
Camelbak, One hand Rowling....I Will give both a try.

25 year ago, I did a running marathon. Although I trainend a lot on very long distances, like 50 km runs, I stil engaged the hunger gap at 35 km. Get passed by 60year old men. Grrrrr...
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New P

Post by hjs » August 16th, 2016, 10:20 am

sjors wrote:
25 year ago, I did a running marathon. Although I trainend a lot on very long distances, like 50 km runs, I stil engaged the hunger gap at 35 km. Get passed by 60year old men. Grrrrr...
Now you are (almost) yourself that old man :P

Rowing a marathon is very different to running one for a bigger man. Can,t comment on your training of hunger gap. Should not be needed on a marathon. Its "only" around 3000 cal. Roughly spoken. Maybe start looking at low carb training to prevent that. Plenty of stuff to find nowadays. Lower intensity work can be done mostly on fat if your diet is aimed that way.

A guy like Froome trains that way.

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Post by sjors » August 16th, 2016, 11:09 am

hjs wrote:
sjors wrote:
25 year ago, I did a running marathon. Although I trainend a lot on very long distances, like 50 km runs, I stil engaged the hunger gap at 35 km. Get passed by 60year old men. Grrrrr...
Now you are (almost) yourself that old man :P

Rowing a marathon is very different to running one for a bigger man. Can,t comment on your training of hunger gap. Should not be needed on a marathon. Its "only" around 3000 cal. Roughly spoken. Maybe start looking at low carb training to prevent that. Plenty of stuff to find nowadays. Lower intensity work can be done mostly on fat if your diet is aimed that way.

A guy like Froome trains that way.
I think the difficulty is to train your body to switch to fat burning while the mental state is "max performance".
All theories for now. I still have to perform a FM. :shock:
My Hm pace was 1:51.6. So plan is to reach for 1:54 at a FM. First physically survive a 2 weeks holiday. B) B)
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