Ranger's training thread

[NavigationHazard]

The trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised.

[ranger]

But you never have been a great runner

I didn't say I was ever a great runner.

I said relative to how I used to run.

According to _Rowing Faster_, aerobic capacity aside, on the average, by the time they are 60, veteran rowers have lost half of their youthful full body power.

For a rower, that loss is physically crippling.

If you have lost half of your full body power, it takes twice the effort to achieve and hold some challenging pace.

Paces that the young find an easy paddle, the old find an impossible strain.

Needless to say, it makes quite a bit of difference if a pace that you could hold, steady state, with a HR of 110 bpm, barely working, when you were 20, you now row with a HR of 145 bpm, pushing up to your anaerobic threshold.

As opposed to this massive, 50% loss in full body power, 60s veterans who have been consistently active physically throughout their lifetime can have lost as little as only 10-15% of their aerobic capacity.

ranger

[ranger]

BTW, not that I ever had much to begin with, but I don't think I have lost _any_ of my youthful full-body power.

Mechanically and technically, I don't think I could have rowed any better when I was 20 years old than I row now.

I can still do things like 30 pull ups, extension press ups, standing ab rolls, etc.

As a lightweight, I have no problem pulling 12 SPI as a normal stroke.

Most 60s lightweights feel more comfortable at 9 SPI.

I will be 60 years old in six months.

If in some hypothetical world I could have rowed better when I was 20 than I do now, it is because I had more aerobic capacity.

Everyone loses some aerobic capacity as they age, albeit different amounts, depending on their physical habits over the four decades from 20 to 60.

ranger

[ranger]

Congratulations. IF your speedcoach is correctly calibrated, which is doubtful, at 35 spm you only have to sustain that for another 45-50 strokes and you'll have managed a 500 at 1:43.

Sure.

That would be a nice accomplishment for me, I think.

Yesterday, I didn't try.

No use doing a lot of sprinting until my OTW technique is better.

I keep working on it.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

Yesterday, I didn't try.

I couldn't have summed up 7 years of your promised erg pieces any better.

[ranger]

Yesterday, I didn't try.

I couldn't have summed up 7 years of your promised erg pieces any better.

If you can still get better, you don't get better by racing.

You get better by overcoming your weaknesses.

When you race, you avoid your weaknesses and parade your strengths.

ranger

[ranger]

Since you won't turn up at any major races, you won't be testing yourself against Mike on a level playing field either on the ergo at the CRASH-Bs or on the water at the HOCR.

I will be at BIRC this fall.

Will Mike?

If he wants to race me on the erg, that would be a good opportunity.

BIRC is well after HOCR, etc., and the onset of the cold weather than forces OTW rowers in cold climates indoors.

As I have for several years now, I will also race in several WIRC qualifiers and WIRC, if I can get there.

I won't race at HOCR until next year, when I am 60.

Why?

OTW, I am still learning how to row.

When I am comfortable with my OTW technique, I will then need to get some racing experience before I try HOCR.

So it is going to be a little while before I jump into that arena.

My OTW rowing is coming along nicely, though.

I am delighted with it.

ranger

[ranger]

BTW, last year, the WIRC qualifying time for the 60s lwts (7:07) was 37 seconds slower than the qualifying time for the 40s lwts (6:30).

9 seconds per 500

ranger

[KevJGK]

BTW, last year, the WIRC qualifying time for the 60s lwts (7:07) was 37 seconds slower than the qualifying time for the 40s lwts (6:30).

I think you will find that’s because the 60 year olds are older than the 40 year olds.

[hjs]

But you never have been a great runner

I didn't say I was ever a great runner.

I said relative to how I used to run.

According to _Rowing Faster_, aerobic capacity aside, on the average, by the time they are 60, veteran rowers have lost half of their youthful full body power.

For a rower, that loss is physically crippling.

If you have lost half of your full body power, it takes twice the effort to achieve and hold some challenging pace.

Paces that the young find an easy paddle, the old find an impossible strain.

Needless to say, it makes quite a bit of difference if a pace that you could hold, steady state, with a HR of 110 bpm, barely working, when you were 20, you now row with a HR of 145 bpm, pushing up to your anaerobic threshold.

As opposed to this massive, 50% loss in full body power, 60s veterans who have been consistently active physically throughout their lifetime can have lost as little as only 10-15% of their aerobic capacity.

ranger

What you are saying here is: to kep fit you age you have to stay active Thx very much, we didn,t know that.

The nonsons about hartrate makes no sense though. Not rate, but rate x strokevolume is important, rate in itself means nothing. Lot's of very unfit people have very high max hartrates, but that means nothing. A friend of mine, a sprinter had a pulse of 180 before he started to race and had 220/230 after he worked hard. Aerobicly he was useless though

[ranger]

Beautiful cadence now, 1:46 @ 24 spm (12 SPI), HR well below my anaerobic threshold, in the low 160s.

Right on target.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

Yesterday, I didn't try.

I couldn't have summed up 7 years of your promised erg pieces any better.

If you can still get better, you don't get better by racing. You get better by overcoming your weaknesses. When you race, you avoid your weaknesses and parade your strengths.
ranger

Who said anything about racing? You have been promising to post IND-V timed trials and sharpening-session screenshots for nigh on 7 years now. You did manage 1 500m piece and also one rate-capped 1k a few years back. Other than that it's been a litany of "I will... I will... I willl..." followed by "I didn't... I didn't... I didn't..."

Fraud.

Oh, and by the way -- you get better at racing by racing. That's one of the reasons there are satellite events leading up to Crash-Bs.

[mikvan52]

"My OTW rowing is coming along nicely, though.

I am delighted with it.

ranger"

We're all very delighted at your benighted attitude about your delight....

[mikvan52]

I will be at BIRC this fall.

Will Mike?

If he wants to race me on the erg, that would be a good opportunity.

When is BIrc this year? Probably right about the same time as the HOCR.(?)

Why would I go to both?

WIll i see ranger at the 2012 HOCR.... If he can make the top 5% (time) at the 2011 installment, he'll get an auto. entry.
Will ranger make the top 5% in 2011?

No.... He'll be erging his way to oblivion...

Really, Rich, if you're so competitive: Why fly across the Atlantic to face a handful on entrants in an erg race when you can face 70 entrants in a head race like the HOCR? There won't be anyone there to push you... (Is that the plan?)

I am not trying to trick you into failure by suggesting you concentrate on your OTW training... It will be too late if you wait any longer to alter your approach... By all means, please consider switching priorities. Otherwise you may as well forget any hope of ever being on par with the elites of your own age on the water...

[ranger]

When is BIrc this year? Probably right about the same time as the HOCR

Nah.

BIRC is a month after the HOCR.

HOCR is October 22nd and 23rd.

BIRC is November 21st.

ranger