Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

So you both have more or less the same aerobic capacity.

Sure, if, fully trained, we pull the same for 2K on the erg.

At the end of this indoor racing season (at the end of April 2011) we'll know what we both do for 2K on the erg, fully trained.

Right now, fully trained, my pb on the erg is 6:27.5.

Mike's is 6:44.

But I think that this misrepresents the situation by a dozen seconds or more.

When I am race this year, fully trained and rowing well at low drag, I think I'll pull 6:16.

I think that Mike will have a hard time pulling 6:50.

It will be interesting to see whether I am right about this.

If our 2Ks on the erg end up 34 seconds apart at the end of the year, the differences in our aerobic capacities will be underlined.

ranger

[ranger]

For any aerobic exercise, no matter what, the first and most important variable is aerobic capacity

No, it's not.

I have great aerobic capacity, but because I have broken my ankles many times, my mechanical efficiency running is now bad.

Relative to how I used to be able to run, I am crippled mechanically.

Many people who try to row are similarly crippled mechanically, or if not mechanically, technically, and not necessarily by injuries, but some other sort of skeletal-motor incapacity--poor upper body power, poor core power, poor quickness, inflexibility, poor timing, arhythmia, etc.

ranger

[hjs]

For any aerobic exercise, no matter what, the first and most important variable is aerobic capacity

No, it's not.

I have great aerobic capacity, but because I have broken my ankles many times, my mechanical efficiency running is now bad.

Relative to how I used to be able to run, I am crippled mechanically.

Many people who try to row are similarly crippled mechanically, or if not mechanically, technically, and not necessarily by injuries, but some other sort of skeletal-motor incapacity--poor upper body power, poor core power, poor quickness, inflexibility, poor timing, arhythmia, etc.

ranger

You have broken you ankles many times ? hahahaha pure nonsons, just like you frooze your feet, cut your hand etc etc. Sure you will have had bad spraines , but that's not broken.

But you never have been a great runner. Ok ast best. You just broke 3 hours in the marathon. That's jogging, not running.

But you avoiding the point. Your hart and lungs are number one, if those are not strong enough the rest does not matter. Try rowing, running, swimming, cycling etc without breathing

[hjs]

So you both have more or less the same aerobic capacity.

Sure, if, fully trained, we pull the same for 2K on the erg.

At the end of this indoor racing season (at the end of April 2011) we'll know what we both do for 2K on the erg, fully trained.

Right now, fully trained, my pb on the erg is 6:27.5.

ranger

hahahahaha this one is funny, you "fully trained" pulled a 6.27.5 at 85/90 kg in your very first race ever, now yearssssssssssssss later, you never ever come close again and claim to better this

[Citroen]

So you both have more or less the same aerobic capacity.

Sure, if, fully trained, we pull the same for 2K on the erg.

Perhaps you can clarify for us how you know that? How will we know when you're "fully trained" and more importantly how will YOU know when that karmic state arrives?

Since you won't turn up at any major races, you won't be testing yourself against Mike on a level playing field either on the ergo at the CRASH-Bs or on the water at the HOCR. What you've written just becomes more of your bloviating bullshit.

[NavigationHazard]

I said that high aerobic capacity is not the primary determinant of achievement in rowing.

You said [sic; "wrote"] no such thing. You repeated once again that rowing is not primarily aerobic. Yes it is. Incontrovertibly. You were wrong to write it and you are wrong to claim that you didn't write it.

Your own words:

Contrary to popular belief, rowing is not primarily aerobic. It is primarily technical and skeletal-muscular.

How's that 80 x 250m @ 1:32 r36/250 paddle coming? You figure out yet how to make the monitor record more than 30 distance intervals? News flash: 160 reps can't be tracked as a continuous session on a PM. Neither can the 4 x (20 x 250m/250m paddle) you claim to have done back in 2003, as that presupposes four sets of forty distance intervals.

Fraud.

[mikvan52]

Well, bite my doggie!, ranger thinks he's better on the erg!

Right now, fully trained, my pb on the erg is 6:27.5.

Mike's is 6:44.

Right Now = 2003 (?) = 6:27.5 AS A HWT

"MIKE'S" is 6:45 (not 6:44) = 2008 = AS A LWT

WHAT WILL WE SEE THIS COMING SEASON?

Do you want to maintain that you'll beat me by 12 seconds over 2k as a lwt?
You'd never bet on that! How about a hot dog, ranger?

I predict a lwt ranger 2k race time on the erg come late in the indoor season= 6:41.x
You'd have us believe that I won't break 6:53!..... You should give up hallucinogens...

And, as for your plan to continue erging first every day.... Such negative reinforcement for your form guarantees that you'll not ever place well in any OTW championship event...

Keep the smoke coming....

[ranger]

Do you want to maintain that you'll beat me by 12 seconds over 2k as a lwt?

No.

You must have misread.

The claim is that I will beat you by 34 seconds over 2K as a lightweight.

8.5 seconds per 500m.

ranger

[ranger]

You'd have us believe that I won't break 6:53!

No.

6:50

ranger

[ranger]

And, as for your plan to continue erging first every day.... Such negative reinforcement for your form guarantees that you'll not ever place well in any OTW championship event...

At the moment, _you're_ the one who rows poorly on the erg, not me.

Yes, if you continue to erg that way, you will indeed ruin your OTW technique.

Better be careful.

Or try this:

Pull a lot of 1:45 @ 25 spm (12 SPI).

Never pull less than 12 SPI.

Take full strokes, as you do OTW.

Trouble is:

If you do, on the erg, you'll only rate 28 spm for 2K.

You can't hold your technique together and rate up--on the erg or OTW.

I'll pull 12 SPI on the erg and rate 35 spm.

I can now hold my technique together and rate up.

ranger

[ranger]

Funny how the same guys come back each year

Indeed.

So why do you claim that competition is much stiffer for veterans OTW than on the erg?

OTW, you only mention a handful of people, over and over.

As you say, "Funny how the same guys come back each year."

A half dozen broken down old rowers, almost all of them rowing coaches.

The 'in" crowd.

So where is the new blood?

Watch out.

It's comin'.



Mike:

Can you rate up?

Can you really only pull 6:50 on the erg, at 9.5 SPI?

If so, you are physically crippled by your loss of aerobic capacity with age.

Good luck with it.

Keep "stylin''



ranger

[ranger]

10K OTW at Europe Lake in the afternoon, after 15K on the erg at Gills Rock, just before dawn.

OTW, in one burst, I got to a _very_ organized 1:43 for ten or fifteen strokes, so I am starting to get some good boat speed.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

Congratulations. IF your speedcoach is correctly calibrated, which is doubtful, at 35 spm you only have to sustain that for another 45-50 strokes and you'll have managed a 500 at 1:43.

How's that 80 x 250m @ 1:32 r36/250 paddle coming? You figure out yet how to make the monitor record more than 30 distance intervals? News flash: 160 reps can't be tracked as a continuous session on a PM. Neither can the 4 x (20 x 250m/250m paddle) you claim to have done back in 2003, as that presupposes four sets of forty distance intervals.

Fraud.

[ranger]

Congratulations. IF your speedcoach is correctly calibrated, which is doubtful, at 35 spm you only have to sustain that for another 45-50 strokes and you'll have managed a 500 at 1:43.

How's that 80 x 250m @ 1:32 r36/250 paddle coming? You figure out yet how to make the monitor record more than 30 distance intervals? News flash: 160 reps can't be tracked as a continuous session on a PM. Neither can the 4 x (20 x 250m/250m paddle) you claim to have done back in 2003, as that presupposes four sets of forty distance intervals.

Fraud.

Fraud?

Well, think what you want.

The training got me to three consecutive WR rows for a 50s lwt: 6:30, 6:29, 6:28--when I was 52, going on 53.

Happy with that.

Since those rows, no lightweight that age or older has even pulled sub-6:30.

This next indoor rowing season, I will be fully trained again, but now rowing well at low drag.

Watch out!

ranger

[Citroen]

This next year, I will be fully trained again ...

How will we know when you're "fully trained" and more importantly how will YOU know when that karmic state arrives?