What Training Have You Done Today?

[p_b82]

I did take a look at my drive length yesterday and has become quite short - so once I've settled in with the new pad I need to see where that reduction has come in. (it seems to be about 8-10cms)

Just out of curiosity, what is your typical drive length (before and after you realized described topic)?

It's not something I've looked at much, but when I last looked it was 1.3x typically - more often on the lower end, but with the odd 1.4m. (low 70% height range).

It was down in the low 1.2x range yesterday - so low 60's.

I think it was probably also shorter as I was just tootling along - but even so, it was shorter than I had anticipated seeing.

[Sakly]

I did take a look at my drive length yesterday and has become quite short - so once I've settled in with the new pad I need to see where that reduction has come in. (it seems to be about 8-10cms)

Just out of curiosity, what is your typical drive length (before and after you realized described topic)?

It's not something I've looked at much, but when I last looked it was 1.3x typically - more often on the lower end, but with the odd 1.4m. (low 70% height range).

It was down in the low 1.2x range yesterday - so low 60's.

I think it was probably also shorter as I was just tootling along - but even so, it was shorter than I had anticipated seeing.

Just asking as you are much taller than me and I recently checked my stroke length (never looked at it really, as I think it is not that important, but one factor of the stroke) due to another thread, where this length factor came up (viewtopic.php?f=3&t=209614).
I looked at length during a steady and found values of 1.51-1.54 typically. By suggestion of the OP I made an experiment to shorten the drive length (at the same average and max forces as good as possible) to 1.3 and this felt so short to me, I could hardly shorten it to that. It felt like not getting into proper catch position as well as very little lean back to me.
Probably I should really take a video shot from the side angle to review my stroke

[Dangerscouse]

I looked at length during a steady and found values of 1.51-1.54 typically. By suggestion of the OP I made an experiment to shorten the drive length (at the same average and max forces as good as possible) to 1.3 and this felt so short to me, I could hardly shorten it to that. It felt like not getting into proper catch position as well as very little lean back to me.
Probably I should really take a video shot from the side angle to review my stroke

FWIW, I think I generally hover around 1.45 for SS, but I don't end the stroke high up (above the sternum), so my lean back isn't too significant, and might benefit from more.

1.39 is probably about right for a harder faster session, but I don't bother checking either of them as I'm not interested.

[p_b82]

Just asking as you are much taller than me and I recently checked my stroke length (never looked at it really, as I think it is not that important, but one factor of the stroke) due to another thread, where this length factor came up (viewtopic.php?f=3&t=209614).
I looked at length during a steady and found values of 1.51-1.54 typically. By suggestion of the OP I made an experiment to shorten the drive length (at the same average and max forces as good as possible) to 1.3 and this felt so short to me, I could hardly shorten it to that. It felt like not getting into proper catch position as well as very little lean back to me.
Probably I should really take a video shot from the side angle to review my stroke

I think you've got a much stronger back from your significant gym work you do, so you can put yourself in what would be for me a weak position with no ill effects.
My back was/is weak generally - the rowing has helped a lot, but I still have to be very careful with "day to day" stuff where I can tweak it.

I've also got very very poor ankle flexibility & extremely tight calves - basically my tendons were too short when I was growing and never really got quite long enough to match the bone length - when I was 5 the pain in my calves would regularly bring me to tears it hurt so much.

I've also got very poor lumbar flexibility - I've not touched my toes with straight legs since before I was a teenager - the flexibility test where you put your feet against a wall and measured where I could reach to was the last in my year group thought my school life. Even now can barely get to my ankles and it is always excruciating pain in the back of my knees and calves that stops me.

However on the standing jump where they measure the difference between stood with arms upright & then where you hit on the wall at the top of a jump, I always was the best amongst my school peers. (broke the junior school high jump record at age 11)

Basically while I'm tall, I get very few of the actual biomechanical advantages of my height to use when it comes to rowing.

And like Stu, I keep the handle fairly low on my chest at the finish - to keep my shoulders down and not overly deflect my wrists I end up there - maybe I've got some more angle to give a few more cm's there, but it pretty much all at the front I think I lose out.

[Sakly]

FWIW, I think I generally hover around 1.45 for SS, but I don't end the stroke high up (above the sternum), so my lean back isn't too significant, and might benefit from more.

1.39 is probably about right for a harder faster session, but I don't bother checking either of them as I'm not interested.

I'm also not interested, so I was curious about this experiment, when I was asked for it
My stroke ends below my chest belt HR monitor, so not pulling the handle to my chest or even higher like some others do (to lengthen the stroke).
I probably have a more exaggerated lean back than I think. Really will try to record a video in the gym next time. At home this isn't possible, so I never did...

I think you've got a much stronger back from your significant gym work you do, so you can put yourself in what would be for me a weak position with no ill effects.
My back was/is weak generally - the rowing has helped a lot, but I still have to be very careful with "day to day" stuff where I can tweak it.

I've also got very very poor ankle flexibility & extremely tight calves - basically my tendons were too short when I was growing and never really got quite long enough to match the bone length - when I was 5 the pain in my calves would regularly bring me to tears it hurt so much.

I've also got very poor lumbar flexibility - I've not touched my toes with straight legs since before I was a teenager - the flexibility test where you put your feet against a wall and measured where I could reach to was the last in my year group thought my school life. Even now can barely get to my ankles and it is always excruciating pain in the back of my knees and calves that stops me.

However on the standing jump where they measure the difference between stood with arms upright & then where you hit on the wall at the top of a jump, I always was the best amongst my school peers. (broke the junior school high jump record at age 11)

Basically while I'm tall, I get very few of the actual biomechanical advantages of my height to use when it comes to rowing.

And like Stu, I keep the handle fairly low on my chest at the finish - to keep my shoulders down and not overly deflect my wrists I end up there - maybe I've got some more angle to give a few more cm's there, but it pretty much all at the front I think I lose out.

All things you listed I'm very above average (except vertical jump ).
Ankle flexibility - I don't need to lift my feet at all and still can overcompress.
Lumbar flexibility - the same. I can put my flat hand on the ground behind my feet. I can straight leg deadlift 100kg with small plates on the bar for reps with neutral back and touching the ground.
So I can have a very strong catch position, as it is not getting me in a strenuous position and due to my core strength I can have a strong lean back (probably more exaggerated than others).

Very interesting how different we all are

[nick rockliff]

Nothing since last Thursday but did a 10kr18

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
41:37.7 10,000 2:04.8 180 918 18 130
4:09.8 1,000 2:04.9 180 918 18 116
4:09.9 2,000 2:04.9 179 917 18 120
4:09.8 3,000 2:04.9 180 918 18 126
4:09.7 4,000 2:04.8 180 918 18 128
4:09.7 5,000 2:04.8 180 918 18 130
4:09.8 6,000 2:04.9 180 918 18 133
4:09.9 7,000 2:04.9 179 917 18 134
4:09.8 8,000 2:04.9 180 918 18 137
4:09.8 9,000 2:04.9 180 918 18 139
4:09.6 10,000 2:04.8 180 919 18 139

[alex9026]

31:08.6 8,848 1:45.5 297 1323 24

7:21.0 2,212 1:39.6 353 1516 27
7:55.1 2,212 1:47.3 283 1272 24
7:59.9 2,212 1:48.4 274 1243 23
7:52.6 2,212 1:46.8 287 1288 24

4x2212/2:20 as per this week's Erg Endurance series. As Justin mentioned, the first piece is scored, so a pacing strategy is soon out the window. Considering my best 4x2k/5:00 average is a shade over 1:44 pace, I'm happy with this attempt.

[Sakly]

31:08.6 8,848 1:45.5 297 1323 24

7:21.0 2,212 1:39.6 353 1516 27
7:55.1 2,212 1:47.3 283 1272 24
7:59.9 2,212 1:48.4 274 1243 23
7:52.6 2,212 1:46.8 287 1288 24

4x2212/2:20 as per this week's Erg Endurance series. As Justin mentioned, the first piece is scored, so a pacing strategy is soon out the window. Considering my best 4x2k/5:00 average is a shade over 1:44 pace, I'm happy with this attempt.

It's a strong result I think. Will be hard to beat.

[Kerry1960]

First go at April CTC. A little conservative on the first 2 intervals so will probably have another go later in the month.


Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
13:00.0 3,460 1:52.7 244 1141 30 141
4:00.0 1,043 1:55.0 230 1090 28 139
r: 3:00 12
3:00.0 796 1:53.0 242 1133 30 141
r: 2:30 22
2:00.0 540 1:51.1 255 1178 31 142
r: 2:00 20
1:00.0 278 1:47.9 279 1258 32 137
r: 2:00 23
3:00.0 804 1:51.9 250 1158 29 149
r77

[Jbrown1215]

31:08.6 8,848 1:45.5 297 1323 24

7:21.0 2,212 1:39.6 353 1516 27
7:55.1 2,212 1:47.3 283 1272 24
7:59.9 2,212 1:48.4 274 1243 23
7:52.6 2,212 1:46.8 287 1288 24

4x2212/2:20 as per this week's Erg Endurance series. As Justin mentioned, the first piece is scored, so a pacing strategy is soon out the window. Considering my best 4x2k/5:00 average is a shade over 1:44 pace, I'm happy with this attempt.

Strong effort, Alex. So hard to feel like you got these workouts just right on the first try -- still ~2 days left for a re-row!

[nick rockliff]

Had a go at the CTC this evening

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
13:00.0 3,686 1:45.8 295 1316 30 149
4:00.0 1,132 1:46.0 294 1311 31 145
r: 3:00 19
3:00.0 848 1:46.1 293 1307 31 150
r: 2:30 10
2:00.0 566 1:46.0 294 1311 30 149
r: 2:00 14
1:00.0 283 1:46.0 294 1311 30 144
r: 2:00 17
3:00.0 858 1:44.8 303 1343 31 157
r: 1:00 16
r76

Nasty, have the dreaded 2k cough now. Don't think there would be much to be gained by going again.

[p_b82]

didn't really want to row today (It's my level up day and I'm off for some food in a bit) - so threw in a short 20min and I told myself to press on.

Hr was a bit high, but didn't get the desire to HD, though body was asking me if I was sure this was a good idea today & wouldn't a pre meal pint in the sun-room be much better...

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
20:00.0 4,793 2:05.1 178 914 25 176
4:00.0 943 2:07.2 170 884 24 165
8:00.0 951 2:06.1 174 899 25 174
12:00.0 953 2:05.9 175 903 25 178
16:00.0 958 2:05.2 178 912 25 181
20:00.0 988 2:01.4 195 972 27 186

[Dangerscouse]

Had a go at the CTC this evening

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
13:00.0 3,686 1:45.8 295 1316 30 149
4:00.0 1,132 1:46.0 294 1311 31 145
r: 3:00 19
3:00.0 848 1:46.1 293 1307 31 150
r: 2:30 10
2:00.0 566 1:46.0 294 1311 30 149
r: 2:00 14
1:00.0 283 1:46.0 294 1311 30 144
r: 2:00 17
3:00.0 858 1:44.8 303 1343 31 157
r: 1:00 16
r76

Nasty, have the dreaded 2k cough now. Don't think there would be much to be gained by going again.

Sounds like you've given it your all. Well done Rocky

[Jbrown1215]

Had a go at the CTC this evening

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
13:00.0 3,686 1:45.8 295 1316 30 149
4:00.0 1,132 1:46.0 294 1311 31 145
r: 3:00 19
3:00.0 848 1:46.1 293 1307 31 150
r: 2:30 10
2:00.0 566 1:46.0 294 1311 30 149
r: 2:00 14
1:00.0 283 1:46.0 294 1311 30 144
r: 2:00 17
3:00.0 858 1:44.8 303 1343 31 157
r: 1:00 16
r76

Nasty, have the dreaded 2k cough now. Don't think there would be much to be gained by going again.

Great effort, Nick. This CTC looks awful... didn't know what "erg cough" was until last month's 1k CTC... not looking forward to having it again!