6:28 2K

Steve G · Post by **Steve G** » October 17th, 2009, 2:34 pm

Rocket Roy wrote:So how did the 2k go Ranger?

Did you manage to knock 10 seconds off the WR time?

Apologies if I've missed it, I've not been on here much recently.

Roy
Give the man time, no sharpening yet, years of foundational stuff etc, stroke not fixed, still need to do those elusive 8 X 500s etc. Its like a bloody Norwegian Saga. Any OTW races yet Rich, I recall you mentioned some for October?

Rocket Roy · Post by **Rocket Roy** » October 18th, 2009, 1:35 am

Give him time, that is priceless Steve!

He did mention that by the month's end he would pull a 6.28 and THEN start sharpening. So what happened Rich? Did reality slap you in the face like a wet fish?
Or did you manage to knock 10 seconds off the WR?

Oh which month is it that you were refering to?

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 18th, 2009, 7:24 am

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ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 18th, 2009, 7:24 am

Rocket Roy wrote:Give him time, that is priceless Steve!

He did mention that by the month's end he would pull a 6.28 and THEN start sharpening. So what happened Rich? Did reality slap you in the face like a wet fish?
Or did you manage to knock 10 seconds off the WR?

Oh which month is it that you were refering to?

No 2Ks yet.

I'm still doing distance rowing.

Time is no issue, if you are were a WR-holder and are trying to get better, as you know well.

Training is coming along great.

My foundational rowing is done.

You are only as good in the 2K as your 60min row, as you know well, too.

So I am working on that, building up to a trial.

If I hit my 60min target, a 6:16 2K is a done deal.

No, my goal is not a WR.

Been there, done that.

Over and over and over.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 18th, 2009, 7:35 am

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ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 18th, 2009, 7:35 am

ThatMoos3Guy wrote:
ranger wrote:In 2003, when I was 52 years old and rowed my 60min pb, my HR rose to 172 bpm after a few minutes and then stayed there until the last 1K, when I kicked it in to the finish. My finishing HR was 186 bpm.

What your describing sound like Steady State cardio. Steady state occurs when a stimulus is applied to the body (in this case exercise). At first the heart rate and core temperature will rise, but then after a short amount of time these values plateau and hold steady.

Indeed I am.

If you row at steady state for an hour, you are under your anaerobic threshold.

You _can't_ row over your anaerobic threshold for an hour, steady state or not.

ranger

Yankeerunner · Post by **Yankeerunner** » October 24th, 2009, 11:19 am

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:12 am

I sent in my entry for the Grand River Challenge in Lansing, MI, on Oct. 24th.

My first head race!

I am sure I'll make every novice mistake imaginable, but what the heck.

I'll bumble through.

I'll go to Indianapolis for a second head race on Oct. 31st.

Did this go any better than the 6:28 2km by the end of September?

snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » October 24th, 2009, 11:26 am

Yankeerunner wrote:
PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:12 am

I sent in my entry for the Grand River Challenge in Lansing, MI, on Oct. 24th.

My first head race!

I am sure I'll make every novice mistake imaginable, but what the heck.

I'll bumble through.

I'll go to Indianapolis for a second head race on Oct. 31st.

Did this go any better than the 6:28 2km by the end of September?

Predictably it didn't go at all. According to ranger 90% of the entrants withdrew from the race owing to adverse conditions. I would be very interested to know just how wide of the mark that is. Should be easy to corroborate.

Byron Drachman · Post by **Byron Drachman** » October 24th, 2009, 1:31 pm

snowleopard wrote:
Yankeerunner wrote:
PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:12 am

I sent in my entry for the Grand River Challenge in Lansing, MI, on Oct. 24th.

My first head race!

I am sure I'll make every novice mistake imaginable, but what the heck.

I'll bumble through.

I'll go to Indianapolis for a second head race on Oct. 31st.

Did this go any better than the 6:28 2km by the end of September?
Predictably it didn't go at all. According to ranger 90% of the entrants withdrew from the race owing to adverse conditions. I would be very interested to know just how wide of the mark that is. Should be easy to corroborate.

According to the Grand Rapids website there were major cancellations because the flu epidemic caused so many high school crews to drop out. So the regatta was re-organized because of the smaller turnout, but it was not canceled according to their posting at regattacentral.com

It was a beautiful, windy brisk fall day this morning with some light rain, not enough to get soaked. On the section of the Grand River that we use, not far from Grand Rapids, the river had heavy traffic with both the MSU varsity crew and the MSU Crew Club this morning. There were singles, doubles, quads, fours, and eights. It was a joy to be part of the crowd. The fall colors are spectacular right now.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 25th, 2009, 2:07 am

Byron Drachman wrote:According to the Grand Rapids website there were major cancellations because the flu epidemic

Yes, just as I reported.

My withdrawal was just a judgment call about enjoyment and the difficulties of packing, traveling, exploring the course, etc., given the weather on Friday, and given my inexperience, age, and intentions; it was not a judgment about the feasibility of the trip.

Sure, I could have gone.

But I am just rowing for fun, and my judgment was that the trip wasn't going to be much fun for me.

I have lots of other things to do.

On Friday morning here in Ann Arbor, it was just above freezing and pouring down rain, with a 20-30 mph wind.

Atrocious weather for rowing (and being outside all weekend).

No, it wasn't a beautiful, brisk fall day.

It was one of the worst days of the entire fall.

ranger

Byron Drachman · Post by **Byron Drachman** » October 25th, 2009, 2:00 pm

Ranger wrote:As I said, driving 300 miles with my boat in order to stand around in the wind and rain for two days in the 40 degree temperatures is not my cup of tea.

--snip--

In an outdoor sport, especially one where you are exposed to the elements pretty completely, what is the enjoyment of gritting your teeth and battling atrocious weather conditions, when you can just as easily wait for a better day?

The Grand Rapids Head Race was scheduled as a one day affair, so it would not be necessary to stand around for two days. Not only that, but after your event is finished you are not required to stand around. There are wonderful things called jackets and hats, designed to keep you warm when you are standing around. Some are even water-proof. Maybe you didn't know that.

If you don't like wind, rain, and cold temperatures you should scratch winning the HOCR when you turn 60 off your list. This year there was wind, rain, and even some snow. During the mens veteran 1x it was described as a "cold horizontal rain from start to finish."

Head racing is not for sissies.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 25th, 2009, 2:18 pm

Byron Drachman wrote:
Ranger wrote:As I said, driving 300 miles with my boat in order to stand around in the wind and rain for two days in the 40 degree temperatures is not my cup of tea.

--snip--

In an outdoor sport, especially one where you are exposed to the elements pretty completely, what is the enjoyment of gritting your teeth and battling atrocious weather conditions, when you can just as easily wait for a better day?
The Grand Rapids Head Race was scheduled as a one day affair, so it would not be necessary to stand around for two days. Not only that, but after your event is finished you are not required to stand around. There are wonderful things called jackets and hats, designed to keep you warm when you are standing around. Some are even water-proof. Maybe you didn't know that.

If you don't like wind, rain, and cold temperatures you should scratch winning the HOCR when you turn 60 off your list. This year there was wind, rain, and even some snow. During the mens veteran 1x it was described as a "cold horizontal rain from start to finish."

Head racing is not for sissies.

Sure, I'd skip the HOCR if the weather was like that.

Why bother?

Getting to a head race, not to mention one that is 1000 miles away, is enough trouble, as is.

In fact, it seems as though many people, such as you, need to be retired in order to do it at all.

Or young, single, and unemployed.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 25th, 2009, 2:21 pm

Byron Drachman wrote: The Grand Rapids Head Race was scheduled as a one day affair, so it would not be necessary to stand around for two days.

I was going over on Friday to stay with my daughter.

I wanted to check out the course.

So, yes, for me, it was going to be a two-day affair.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 25th, 2009, 2:24 pm

Byron Drachman wrote:Head racing is not for sissies.

Sport is one thing.

Gratuitous suffering is another.

I don't see the point, really.

I don't train outside when the weather is nasty, either.

I have better things to do.

ranger

stroke · Post by **stroke** » October 27th, 2009, 4:50 am

ranger wrote:
Byron Drachman wrote:Head racing is not for sissies.
Sport is one thing.

Gratuitous suffering is another.

I don't see the point, really.

I don't train outside when the weather is nasty, either.

I have better things to do.

ranger

But as you so frequently say "all sport is art" surely you are familiar with the expression "suffer for your art"

Perhaps you are not an artist but just a dilletante