6:28 2K

[mikvan52]

What have you done in 2.0.1.0.?

No need to do any races yet, especially sprints, although I am indeed starting to think about doing FM, HM, and 60min trials.

In 2009, I pulled 6:41 for 2K, without even preparing for it, just on the basis of foundational rowing.

I was happy with that.

You pulled 6:50, fully trained.

I'd wager that if you averaged all of our recent (55-59) timed 2k pieces rowed as lightweights where the weigh-in was 2hrs or less before the START of the race, there would be very little difference.
Post your list; then I'll post mine. Handle downs will be noted but not included in the avergages.

It is very true that I rowed a 6:50.0 at Boston last year. If you had been there, I would have beaten you because you had not trained.

In 2008 I rowed a 6:45.
I lead the standings this year.

Two days ago I rowed a 6:47. I could even claim that it was a workout because of the heavily negative splitting I did. Read about it if you want on the Competitions part of the forum: You know, the part of the c2 forum you don't need to visit because you never post times.

Why don't you guarantee a minimum time you'll row weighed in at Boston this year?

You know, you should consider better planning to ensure you will get to the WIRC:

Here's a tip: Say the planes don't fly again this year. Why not get a reservation on AMTRAK way ahead of time and then cancell it if the weather's ok....
Dawn breaks over Marblehead

Those interested in competition between old guys will have something to see this Feb. 14 in Boston.

[ranger]

Mike--

As far as I can tell, we have exactly the same non-fat body mass.

You are 158 lbs. at 8% fat.

So you have 145 lbs. of non-fat body mass.

Right now, I am 13% fat at 165 lbs.

So I have 144 lbs. of non-fat body mass.

You are also taller than I am.

So the whole weight issue is nothing.

I'll continue to lose weight for the next month, slowly and reasonably, about a pound or two a week.

That will put me right about where you are, 158 lbs. and 8% body fat for WIRC 2010.

We will be exactly the same body composition, and both of us will be _waaay_ under the weight limit of 165 lbs.

No need for complex procedures to make weight.

No need for sudden weight loss.

Etc.

For either of us.

ranger

[ranger]

Those interested in competition between old guys will have something to see this Feb. 14 in Boston.

Yes, if I take off at 1:34 and you take off at 1:43, it will be something to see.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Those interested in competition between old guys will have something to see this Feb. 14 in Boston.

Yes, if I take off at 1:34 and you take off at 1:43, it will be something to see.

ranger

"tak(ing) off" faster does not necessarily imply winning

if you take off at 1:34.x avg for 1k, you will lose. I guarantee it.

I will pass you in the last 500m.
Caviston and most others say that neg-splitting wins the most races.

[chgoss]

removed..
I'm not arguing with rich about weight anymore

[mikvan52]

Chad:
What if you and I "removed" ourselves from this thread for at least a few weeks

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There's really nothing new to say...

He won't stand by his claims with any reports. There won't be a 6:28 in his future.
What's left to talk about? Unsubstantiated claims? "Shoulds", "woulds", "if-thens", ranger science?

I was hoping to get some competition. It won't be forthcoming from him. By his own testimony, he won't be competing until after Crash-B... because he won't be "fully trained"..
I go on the water in March. The erg is my off-season.

*Open bet (forever) ===> Rich: You will never beat me by 8 seconds at 500 meters

Good Bye

Hope to see you, Chad and others, at Boston. I've rowed the WIRC 3 years straight... no sign of ranger. Why would he come this year?

[chgoss]

Done, I'm off this thread until after WIRC

[ranger]

Why don't you guarantee a minimum time you'll row weighed in at Boston this year?

"Guarantee"?

No one has to "guarantee" anything about their racing.

My lwt pb is 6:28.

Yours is 6:45.

I do indeed guarantee that I am better technically than I used to be by quite a bit.

And technique is important in rowing.

It can account for several seconds per 500m, I think, even for a physically accomplished athlete.

Will I realize all of this new potential this year?

Beats me.

But I will try my best to get fully trained and therefore realize as much of this gain as I can.

No guarantees, but I think the effect will be significant, and if not realized in full now, it will lay the foundation for further improvement next year, when I turn 60.

ranger

[ranger]

I lead the standings this year.

For many of us, races have not yet begun.

The important thing is who leads the standings after the races are over, not before they have begun!

ranger

[JohnBove]

No guarantees, but I think the effect will be significant, and if not realized in full now, it will lay the foundation for further improvement next year, when I turn 60.

Another indication that this braying clown knows, along with everyone else, that he isn't going to come close to anything he yabbers about.

What a pathetic, hapless schmuck. What a warped, repulsive personality.

[ranger]

Mike VB and I have the same non-fat body mass.

Mike has 14.5 pounds of fat.

Right now, I have 21.5 pounds of fat.

I am burning a pound of calories a day cross-training.

I have given up eating in the middle of the day.

I am eating eggs, yogurt, fruit, and dry toast in the morning.

I am eating vegetables, rice, and salads in the evening.

I think I will have no problem losing seven pounds of fat over the next six weeks.

If I lose this fat, Mike VB and I will have exactly the same weight and body composition when I race in Chicago at the end of February.

So, by then, any difference in our erg times will have nothing to do with weight, size, etc.

These differences will have to do with talent, skill, speed, strength, training, etc.

Bring it on.

ranger

[ranger]

No guarantees, but I think the effect will be significant, and if not realized in full now, it will lay the foundation for further improvement next year, when I turn 60.

Another indication that this braying clown knows, along with everyone else, that he isn't going to come close to anything he yabbers about.

What a pathetic, hapless schmuck. What a warped, repulsive personality.

You are the braying clown, John.

Nothing matters less than your opinion on anything that deals with rowing.

Why is that?

Food for thought.

ranger

[snowleopard]

If I lose this fat, Mike VB and I will have exactly the same weight and body composition when I race in Chicago at the end of February.

So, by then, any difference in our erg times will have nothing to do with weight, size, etc.

Assuming you a) turn up and b) make weight you will both be rowing in the lwt category. You have chosen to row in the category so any differences in non fat body mass are irrelevant. The lwt category is not further subdivided into non fat body mass categories any more than the 55-59 age group is further subdivided into annual categories.

Claiming you lost at WIRC because you had 2% more body fat on the erg than Mike is going to make you look rather stupid. At those margins the erg is very forgiving when it comes to weight anyhow.

If you can't stand the heat go row in with the heavies where you belong. Since you are clearly struggling to make weight despite burning around 4000 calories per day

The big difference between you and Mike of course is Mike is always lwt and always trains at lwt. He doesn't need to deplete his resources to squeeze into smaller shorts.

Mike may wear a small hat but he has plenty of well fed cattle

[ranger]

_Very_ solid and relaxed 1:37 @ 33 (11.6 SPI) now.

That will be my race pace and rate at Indianapolis in 10 days or so.

Zillions of 500s at that from now untili then.

At least one 4 x 1K.

Some 4 x 2Ks.

And long rows, 1:46 @ 27 spm (11 SPI).

ranger

[hjs]

If I lose this fat, Mike VB and I will have exactly the same weight and body composition when I race in Chicago at the end of February.

So, by then, any difference in our erg times will have nothing to do with weight, size, etc.

Assuming you a) turn up and b) make weight you will both be rowing in the lwt category. You have chosen to row in the category so any differences in non fat body mass are irrelevant. The lwt category is not further subdivided into non fat body mass categories any more than the 55-59 age group is further subdivided into annual categories.

Claiming you lost at WIRC because you had 2% more body fat on the erg than Mike is going to make you look rather stupid. At those margins the erg is very forgiving when it comes to weight anyhow.

If you can't stand the heat go row in with the heavies where you belong. Since you are clearly struggling to make weight despite burning around 4000 calories per day

The big difference between you and Mike of course is Mike is always lwt and always trains at lwt. He doesn't need to deplete his resources to squeeze into smaller shorts.

Mike may wear a small hat but he has plenty of well fed cattle

He can be a lightweight but he has no dissipline on the eating front, if you do so much work and although we all know he doesn,t do everything he claims to be doing, he still works out a lot there is not much doubt about that.

If he now is on 13% fat, which in itself is a very rough guestimate, those scales simply don,t work very accurate, the % not anly depends on fatmass, but bone density and hydration play a firm role also.

But if we take that 13 % now, that means that in the summer he is above 20% fat easily, dispite all his training, that can simple only mean that he eats like a pig.