The Two Types of Training

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by whp4 » March 19th, 2010, 6:02 am

ranger wrote: I have rowed a couple of million meters OTW since this video.
Helpful tip: sitting in the bathtub, splashing the water around with your hands while going "whoosh, whoosh" is not rowing OTW :lol:

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 19th, 2010, 6:03 am

whp4 wrote:Don't worry, he'll pay his side of the wager
Yes, I know.

I should win the bet pretty soon now.

I'll use the money to fund some time at Craftsbury, etc.

I am also getting money from the Chicago venue for setting the championship record by 20 seconds.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by snowleopard » March 19th, 2010, 6:15 am

whp4 wrote:
dysfunctional-dick wrote: I have rowed a couple of million meters OTW since this video.
Helpful tip: sitting in the bathtub, splashing the water around with your hands while going "whoosh, whoosh" is not rowing OTW :lol:
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by KevJGK » March 19th, 2010, 6:16 am

ranger wrote:
I have inherited quite a bit of money from my mother...............
Do you have any class whatsoever?
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by hjs » March 19th, 2010, 6:20 am

Is there anyone who ever met or sawa that Rod Freed Guy, it very much sounds like Dwayne Adams, so 100 % nonsons.


I dare anyone to find someone no matter what sport who has results in the line of this Freed, it is simply impossible to have results this close together. Every human being simply does have a anaerobic system, you simply need that to survive.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by mikvan52 » March 19th, 2010, 7:26 am

ranger:
Don't mistake me. I am not bragging about my sculling. Nor am I saying I do not have plenty of room for improvement.

I'll post some more video later today of me sculling so people can take pot shots at what I do wrong. I think you may have seen these before. There's a permanent link through the "see my training" tab in my signature below and "row skills" testimonials below.

Once again: Condolences to you and your family in this time of loss.
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by macroth » March 19th, 2010, 7:51 am

ranger wrote: ...

I'll keep checking the rankings for a better 60min score from you, but I am not holding my breath, really.

...

But you are so smug about what you are doing already, anything of this sort would be surprising in the extreme.

...
The irony is strong with this one.


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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by NavigationHazard » March 19th, 2010, 8:21 am

Henry, here's a bit more on Freed's posted results:

2003
HM 1:14:11.2 rowed on 2/12/03 (record)
60' 17132m rowed on 2/14/03 (record)
10k 34:28.0 rowed on 2/18/03 (season best; second all time)
30' 8753m rowed on 2/19/03 (season best; second all time)
6k 20:17.0 rowed on 2/21/03 (record)
5k 16:47.0 rowed on 2/22/03 (record)

2002
HM 1:14:26.3 rowed on 1/2/02 (record at the time)
10k 34:16.2 rowed on 1/09/02 (record)
60' 17112m rowed on 1/05/02 (record at the time)
30' 8767m rowed on 1/12/02 (record)
6k 20:22.5 rowed on 1/14/02 (record at the time)
5k 16:54 rowed on 1/15/02 (record at the time)

That is, he set six world records in 14 days in 2002, four of them in one week; he then went dormant; a year later he broke his own records four times in 11 days, the last five days of which saw two new WRs and two all-time second-best performances.

It's not impossible to row WRs in close succession. Full disclosure: I once broke the 50s MHW 500m and 1k records on consecutive days, indeed consecutive rows. But these paroxysms of effort beggar the imagination....
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by jliddil » March 19th, 2010, 8:40 am

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There are no conditions on their use.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by chgoss » March 19th, 2010, 8:49 am

ranger wrote:Paul--
I can row a FM at 26 spm.
sigh..
Rich: the information that's lacking from your post (and which you wont supply of course), is _how_long_ (in minutes) it took you to row the FM.

note1: We're not talking about taking the 500m split that you did from some brief interval during said FM and figuring out what your FM time would be if you were able to maintain that the entire distance..
note2: we're not talking about what you "think" that you "should" be able to do if you were "maximally trained"

Also note: we dont really view any argument that is similar in form to "my max heart rate is 192, so, this means that my anaerobic threshold is 177.. That means that I can row a FM with my HR at 177. Now, we know that my HR is at 177 for a 2k, so that means I can row a FM at my best 2k pace this year (1:44).." as being valid..
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by snowleopard » March 19th, 2010, 9:11 am

NavigationHazard wrote:Henry, here's a bit more on Freed's posted results:

2003
HM 1:14:11.2 rowed on 2/12/03 (record)
60' 17132m rowed on 2/14/03 (record)
10k 34:28.0 rowed on 2/18/03 (season best; second all time)
30' 8753m rowed on 2/19/03 (season best; second all time)
6k 20:17.0 rowed on 2/21/03 (record)
5k 16:47.0 rowed on 2/22/03 (record)

2002
HM 1:14:26.3 rowed on 1/2/02 (record at the time)
10k 34:16.2 rowed on 1/09/02 (record)
60' 17112m rowed on 1/05/02 (record at the time)
30' 8767m rowed on 1/12/02 (record)
6k 20:22.5 rowed on 1/14/02 (record at the time)
5k 16:54 rowed on 1/15/02 (record at the time)

That is, he set six world records in 14 days in 2002, four of them in one week; he then went dormant; a year later he broke his own records four times in 11 days, the last five days of which saw two new WRs and two all-time second-best performances.

It's not impossible to row WRs in close succession. Full disclosure: I once broke the 50s MHW 500m and 1k records on consecutive days, indeed consecutive rows. But these paroxysms of effort beggar the imagination....
There's something amiss here. The longer Freed rows, the further he departs from a Paul's Law predicted 2K against actual. But even at 5K the prediction would be a 6:16. His 10K and 60 minute rows predict a sub 6:00 2K.

He should have been able to break 6:30 wearing a gas mask.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by hjs » March 19th, 2010, 9:50 am

NavigationHazard wrote:Henry, here's a bit more on Freed's posted results:

2003
HM 1:14:11.2 rowed on 2/12/03 (record)
60' 17132m rowed on 2/14/03 (record)
10k 34:28.0 rowed on 2/18/03 (season best; second all time)
30' 8753m rowed on 2/19/03 (season best; second all time)
6k 20:17.0 rowed on 2/21/03 (record)
5k 16:47.0 rowed on 2/22/03 (record)

2002
HM 1:14:26.3 rowed on 1/2/02 (record at the time)
10k 34:16.2 rowed on 1/09/02 (record)
60' 17112m rowed on 1/05/02 (record at the time)
30' 8767m rowed on 1/12/02 (record)
6k 20:22.5 rowed on 1/14/02 (record at the time)
5k 16:54 rowed on 1/15/02 (record at the time)

That is, he set six world records in 14 days in 2002, four of them in one week; he then went dormant; a year later he broke his own records four times in 11 days, the last five days of which saw two new WRs and two all-time second-best performances.

It's not impossible to row WRs in close succession. Full disclosure: I once broke the 50s MHW 500m and 1k records on consecutive days, indeed consecutive rows. But these paroxysms of effort beggar the imagination....
I very very much doubt al these rows (Freed), doing 3 4 rows in a very short periode may be possible but everything about the man smells fishy.
Have you ever heard of a very well trained endurance athlete with a resting puls of 60/65 ?


You have been seen in Public Jon, I donb,t think there is much doubt about your posted rowing. :wink:

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by rjw » March 19th, 2010, 10:23 am

mikvan52 wrote:........I'll post some more video later today of me sculling so people can take pot shots at what I do wrong..
Mike - why post a video if you think people will take pot shots. Actually, I believe a better choice of words would be "constructive criticism ".
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by johnlvs2run » March 19th, 2010, 11:05 am

NavigationHazard wrote:News flash: they give the medal to the rower who finishes first, not the one with the best watts/kilogram of body weight ratio.
Well 2k + 12.6 seconds for an hour is not impressive to me, as I could do that easily in my sleep.

If that's the best rower in the planet then the best rower on the planet sucks.
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