What Training Have You Done Today?

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
Sakly
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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by Sakly » March 3rd, 2025, 11:12 am

KeithT wrote:
March 3rd, 2025, 11:01 am
Did 700M at planned 1K pace over weekend along with other training. I did 250m at 1:32, 250m at 1:31 and 200m at 1:30. Now, how did I feel?.....Well, it was a pretty hard effort. Had this been the actual TT I think I could have prob switched to a sprint and kept 1:30 for a little bit but prob would have faded. My TT plan will be similar to this. Will use first 100m to drive pace down and then settle into 1:32 for 300, 1:31 for 300 and then whatever I have last 300.
Sounds reasonable, good luck!
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:26.2
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
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p_b82
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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by p_b82 » March 3rd, 2025, 12:07 pm

PleaseLockIn wrote:
March 3rd, 2025, 10:23 am
Tried a 22min 2:05 split r20 only for the wheels to fall off after 14 mins, after very intense glute pain. I almost gave it up, tried to hold 2:10 but gave up, then finally held ~2:05 for the last bit. *FACEPALM*

https://log.concept2.com/profile/2501432/log/98945114

Embarassing. Why at under 10 minutes did I begin failing? I need mental tips to hold on for the last bit of these kinds of workouts. I didn't even reach 200 HR! While I was working very hard, I wasn't passing out nor failing. One mental slip up can absolutely ruin it!

And from https://log.concept2.com/profile/2501432/log/98781852 I know my MHR is at least 200 (considering I got 199 even with a very long rest between intervals).

Sometimes these days just fall apart for you. Next week I should start at 2:06 and work up if I feel good. *shakes head*
even if we assume your max Hr is 205 (it might be higher, it might not) at ~8min point your Hr is 90%+ max - at that point things will generally feel tough - for me it's around 175/190 - I personally try not to look at my Hr on max efforts as it can become demoralising "I'm not even half way and already I'm at 90% etc etc"

Severe pain however is a warning sign to tell you something is wrong - pinched nerve, pulled muscle etc - and stopping under those sorts of circumstances isn't a "fail" but more a frustration imo.
I reckon you're hitting strength/technique limitations rather than CV side though.
M 6'4 born:'82
PB's
'23: HM=1:36:08.0, 60'=13,702m
'24: 5k=20:42.9, 10k=42:13.1, FM=3:18:35.4, 30'=7,132m
'25: 500m=1:35.3, 2k=7:39.3, 6k: 25:05.4
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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by Nomark » March 3rd, 2025, 12:13 pm

PleaseLockIn wrote:
March 3rd, 2025, 10:23 am
Tried a 22min 2:05 split r20 only for the wheels to fall off after 14 mins, after very intense glute pain. I almost gave it up, tried to hold 2:10 but gave up, then finally held ~2:05 for the last bit. *FACEPALM*

https://log.concept2.com/profile/2501432/log/98945114

Embarassing. Why at under 10 minutes did I begin failing? I need mental tips to hold on for the last bit of these kinds of workouts. I didn't even reach 200 HR! While I was working very hard, I wasn't passing out nor failing. One mental slip up can absolutely ruin it!

And from https://log.concept2.com/profile/2501432/log/98781852 I know my MHR is at least 200 (considering I got 199 even with a very long rest between intervals).

Sometimes these days just fall apart for you. Next week I should start at 2:06 and work up if I feel good. *shakes head*
You are too hard on yourself. At r20 it's more strength than cardio so your HR won't max out.

You should see this as a good step in your training plan and another good baseline. Unless it was an off day, this looks like your peak right now, 15 minutes at 2:05. Maybe you could do 30 minutes at 2:10 and 5-10 minutes at 2:00? So you just need to raise all those times week by week and you'll get to your goal in 6 months. 22 minutes was too long, so next week add on 30 seconds.
M 1982 6'1 205lbs

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by nick rockliff » March 3rd, 2025, 1:23 pm

Took a few days off the erg last week. So just a 30r20 to start the month.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
30:00.0 7,319 2:02.9 188 947 20 129
5:00.0 1,220 2:02.9 188 948 20 123
10:00.0 1,219 2:03.0 188 946 20 125
15:00.0 1,220 2:02.9 188 948 20 128
20:00.0 1,220 2:02.9 188 948 20 132
25:00.0 1,220 2:02.9 188 948 20 135
30:00.0 1,220 2:02.9 188 948 20 135
67 6' 4" 108kg
PBs 2k 6:16.4 5k 16:37.5 10k 34:35.5 30m 8727 60m 17059 HM 74:25.9 FM 2:43:48.8
50s PBs 2k 6.24.3 5k 16.55.4 6k 20.34.2 10k 35.19.0 30m 8633 60m 16685 HM 76.48.7
60s PBs 5k 17.51.2 10k 36.42.6 30m 8263 60m 16089 HM 79.16.6

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by alex9026 » March 3rd, 2025, 2:08 pm

Dangerscouse wrote:
March 2nd, 2025, 1:02 pm
I could have finished, whether I should have is another question, as it wasn't theoretically a good day, but it was a good 18k and indicator of where I currently am.
It's another solid 18k in the bank.
KeithT wrote:
March 3rd, 2025, 11:01 am
Did 700M at planned 1K pace over weekend along with other training. I did 250m at 1:32, 250m at 1:31 and 200m at 1:30. Now, how did I feel?.....Well, it was a pretty hard effort. Had this been the actual TT I think I could have prob switched to a sprint and kept 1:30 for a little bit but prob would have faded. My TT plan will be similar to this. Will use first 100m to drive pace down and then settle into 1:32 for 300, 1:31 for 300 and then whatever I have last 300.
Sounds a reasonable approach, it's long enough to settle in to a target pace. Good luck, looking forward to seeing your result.
KeithT wrote:
March 3rd, 2025, 10:51 am
Rating seems appropriate for the pace to me.
I think so. Over the coming weeks hopeful of trading rate for a little extra pace.
34 6'2 92kg
1min 368m 500m 1:24.4 2k 6:24 5k 17:27

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by Dangerscouse » March 3rd, 2025, 2:09 pm

KeithT wrote:
March 3rd, 2025, 11:01 am
Did 700M at planned 1K pace over weekend along with other training. I did 250m at 1:32, 250m at 1:31 and 200m at 1:30. Now, how did I feel?.....Well, it was a pretty hard effort. Had this been the actual TT I think I could have prob switched to a sprint and kept 1:30 for a little bit but prob would have faded. My TT plan will be similar to this. Will use first 100m to drive pace down and then settle into 1:32 for 300, 1:31 for 300 and then whatever I have last 300.
Good plan and good luck
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

"You reap what you row"

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by Dangerscouse » March 3rd, 2025, 2:14 pm

alex9026 wrote:
March 3rd, 2025, 2:08 pm
It's another solid 18k in the bank.
I know that there's a benefit to it, but it was based on the wrong type of decision. All of these great results from others have got my ego wanting to get involved, which is a poor basis for progression.

I need to be more measured and disciplined, as I do seem to be making decent progress in general. Having said that I'm terribly self-critical, so sometimes I also need to stop being so hard on myself.
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by p_b82 » March 3rd, 2025, 2:17 pm

Wasn't sure how this would feel - yesterday I had some aches in some atypical places, and rowing might not have been a good idea, so popped in 20mins. (got a bi raw patch for a blister than formed under the glue of a plaster I put on over a different blister - wasn't even aware it was there, until I took the paster off and left a big red stinging circle before I showered.

Anyway - no issues with body, so ended up cranking up the pace steadily - probably could have done another split with the RPE at the end.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
20:00.0 4,735 2:06.7 172 892 22
4:00.0 913 2:11.4 154 830 22
8:00.0 936 2:08.2 166 871 22
12:00.0 952 2:06.0 175 901 23
16:00.0 958 2:05.2 178 912 23
20:00.0 977 2:02.8 189 950 23
M 6'4 born:'82
PB's
'23: HM=1:36:08.0, 60'=13,702m
'24: 5k=20:42.9, 10k=42:13.1, FM=3:18:35.4, 30'=7,132m
'25: 500m=1:35.3, 2k=7:39.3, 6k: 25:05.4
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