Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

Mike would understand that it is a poor concept once it was explained to him. i.e he is capable of learning something--rather quickly I might add.

Really?

It appears that Mike didn't do any serious sculling until he had been doing sweep rowing for 30 years.

Then it appears that he couldn't even get balanced in a 1x for several years.

Then he did a decade of serious sculling before he entered the Head of the Charles or Nationals.

Yikes.

I am learning _much_ faster than that, and without any extensive/intensive coaching at all.

In fact, with no coaching at all.

Just me, the boat, and the river.

Movin'.

Body work, blade work.

ranger

[Nosmo]

Even on the erg it is not a measure of power.

Then talk to PaulS.

He is the one who named it "[S}troke [P]power ndex.

ranger

Stroke Power Index has three words. The other two words change the meaning. (just as a stock index is not a stock.)
It does not have units of Power, it has units of Energy. I am certain Paul understands this. He understands what Energy is and what Power is, and the difference between the two.

[Nosmo]

Mike would understand that it is a poor concept once it was explained to him. i.e he is capable of learning something--rather quickly I might add.

Really?

You have latched on to it and repeatedly misuse it even after it has been pointed out, and display no interest in learning why it is misused.

I am not misusing it.

QED

Time to take the quiz ranger.

[whp4]

I'm guessing that you'll never actually be 'fully trained', as this provides your excuse for failing to break 6:40 ever again?

Excuse?

No excuses needed.

Last year, no one my age and weight came within 20 seconds of my 2K (6:41), even though I didn't prepare to race.

Pretty safe bet no one did the amount of training you claim to do, either!

Given my age and weight, 6:41 for 2K is WR pace.

Let's see, you are 59, male, and often race as a lightweight. According to the official keeper of the records, WR pace for a 59 year old male is 6:18.6 if a heavyweight, 6:38.1 if a lightweight. Therefore, you are mistaken about rowing WR pace.

I will prepare to race this year, though.

Yeah, sure you will. How about you agree to pay $100 to a charity of our choosing for each time you post or utter the words "without even preparing for it" (or any substantially similar phrase) after Nov. 20, 2010?

What will I pull for 2K when I am fully trained?

Another excuse out of your ass, no doubt!

[NavigationHazard]

The Sloop R.C.

I've bought me a Fluid Design
I can't steer a straight line
Round Barton Pond I go instead
Three strokes in a row!
Just look at me go!
I feel so fast now, I wanna race Mike!

So hoist up the s p i!
See how the Peinert flies!
Call for the Forum to watch me rating high!
I'll row 38, oh it's gonna be great
I'll win the Charles, if I can stay dry....

I dug my oars at the catch
And flung myself towards the bow
The rescue boat had to come haul me ashore
A minor mistake.
I'm doing just great!
I'll win the Charles, and come back for more!

The Forum can laugh at my form
I've really got nothing to learn
My speed is matched only by my self-esteem
Let me stay dry. Oh just let me stay dry!
I am the best rower the world's ever seen.

Edit: had to make post #666 special....

[bellboy]

fantastic!

[ranger]

Let's see, you are 59, male, and often race as a lightweight. According to the official keeper of the records, WR pace for a 59 year old male is 6:18.6 if a heavyweight, 6:38.1 if a lightweight. Therefore, you are mistaken about rowing WR pace.

No, in the senior and veteran ranks, ages 40-70, historically, besides my WR rows in 2003, all WRs have been set when the rower enters the age group--then there is a severe decline of 2-3 seconds per year.

Rocket Roy pulled a lwt 6:38 when he was 55, but this year, at 59, even if he competes, which is doubtful, he will have a hard time pulling 6:50.

My training over the last seven years has been directed toward continuing my exception to this trend.

Instead of training to race, parading my strengths, for the last seven years, I have been doing foundational training on technique, overcoming my weaknesses.

This next year, when I will be rowing well at low drag for the first time, and fully trained for the first time since 2003, I will pull a lwt 6:16, not a lwt 6:50.

Racing your training is no way to get better.

You only get better by overcoming your weaknesses.

Or at least, so my coach tells me.



ranger

[ranger]

From the lwt 50s WR to the lwt 60s WR, the decline is 1.8 seconds per year.

50 6:25.1
51 6:26.9
52 6:28.7
53 6:30.5
54 6:32.3
55 6:34.1
56 6:35.9
57 6:37.7
58 6:39.5
59 6.41.2
60 6:43.0

ranger

[ranger]

Deleted because ranger invented a quote from another forum member

[ranger]

Even on the erg it is not a measure of power.

Then talk to PaulS.

He is the one who named it "[S}troke [P]power ndex.

ranger

Stroke Power Index has three words. The other two words change the meaning. (just as a stock index is not a stock.)
It does not have units of Power, it has units of Energy. I am certain Paul understands this. He understands what Energy is and what Power is, and the difference between the two.

Then talk to Paul about it.

It's his concept, name, etc.

ranger

[ranger]

To win the Head of the Charles, Mike VB will have to hold his technique steady and rate 30 spm for three miles.

The question is:

Can he?

No sign of this so far.

A good start might be for Mike to do 5K, 12 SPI @ 30 spm, on the erg.

1:39

ranger

[leadville]

I am the best rower the world's ever seen.

Clearly not.

But then again, how well do you have to row to beat bunch of broken down 60-year-old men with no strength or aerobic capacity, who only train occasionally and half-heartedly?

Physical capacity and training are the most important elements of boat speed.

Technique is a distant third.

ranger

Another one of rangerboy's greatest hits.

I hear they are making a sequel to "Dumb and Dumber". It's to be titled "Dumb, Dumber, and Ranger".

[Bob S.]

I am the best rower the world's ever seen.

Clearly not.

But then again, how well do you have to row to beat bunch of broken down 60-year-old men with no strength or aerobic capacity, who only train occasionally and half-heartedly?

Physical capacity and training are the most important elements of boat speed.

Technique is a distant third.

ranger

Another one of rangerboy's greatest hits.

I hear they are making a sequel to "Dumb and Dumber". It's to be titled "Dumb, Dumber, and Ranger".

I don't know about hits, but that out-of-context-quote is one of the foulest tricks I have seen pulled on this forum. The game being played on this thread is often amusing as long as the long repetitive posts are ignored, but that little stunt was just downright rotten.

Bob S.

[Nosmo]

It's his concept, name, etc.ranger

he is not the one misusing/misunderstanding it. etc. etc.etc.

[rjw]

As a result, I believe that your usage of SPI is generally meaningless.

Whatever works, I guess.

Thinking about training (partly) in terms of SPI helps me out.

I think that you use the term "SPI" in a random manner with little regard for precision. It would have more meaning on the erg of you used it in the sense that Paul intended and at S10PS and for a given distance such as 2k, 4k and 8k for example.

When do the distance trials start?