Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

erging a 6:45 at CRASH-bs did not get me to "National level" sculling speed. I needed extensive OTW experience and expert coaching.

Yep, you did.

But I am not you, Mike.

I am going to row 6:16 on the erg, not 6:45.

Then I am only going to pull 7.5 SPI OTW, not 9.5 SPI, but I will rate 38 spm for 1K, not 28 spm.

You indeed need extensive OTW experience and expert coaching to go fast OTW without any significant aerobic capacity and therefore no ability to rate up.

No one else I know is in your situation, though, so your experience is unique.

Good luck with it.

ranger

[ranger]

If I can rate up, I don't have to be nearly as good as rowing in order to go as fast as you, Mike.

I will just draw on my fitness.

You can't.

All you can do is look toward technique and rate down.

Good luck with it.

The Head of the Charles at 22 spm?

Absurd.

The Head of the Charles at 32 spm?

Yea.

That's more like it.

ranger

[lancs]

Prof, why on Earth are you trying to engage in OTW smack-talk with Mike? You've never been in even one OTW race in your life and most likely never will do. You're making yourself look an even bigger moron than you already do, which is going some...

[Citroen]

I have just been drilling on technique.

I think I understand what the word drilling means, the meaning of the word on, and I have a grasp of what technique means. I am befuddled by the juxtaposition of those three words: drilling on technique.

Is our intrepid hero attempting to say that he does drills to work on technique?

Does anybody have a Rangerspeak-English dictionary handy? I tried to find one online but it seems they are unavailable. Can someone translate this for me? Dougie, can you run this through your two step Rangerspeak to Vulcan and then Vulcan to English translator? I believe that is the state of the art translator at the moment, although Nav, with his background in foreign tongues, also does a good job at deciphering Rangerspeak.

Even the most advanced lexical analysis isn't going to come up with a coherent cleartext from that cyphertext. I think we should inform your NSA as this may be the most secure encryption process known to man.

Closest to English that came out was: "I just drilled holes in the technique".

[Carl Watts]

Prof, why on Earth are you trying to engage in OTW smack-talk with Mike? You've never been in even one OTW race in your life and most likely never will do. You're making yourself look an even bigger moron than you already do, which is going some...

Oh come on Lancs, "if" Ranger had been invited to participate in the Tour De France he would be wearing the Yellow Jersey in every stage. Those guys simply have no idea how to cycle fast for hours on end one day after another. Ranger is the greatest athlete the virtual world has ever seen.

[Citroen]

..."if" Ranger had been invited to participate in the Tour De France he would be wearing the Yellow Jersey in every stage. ...

Is that with or without pedals on the virtual athlete's bike?

[Nosmo]

Prof, why on Earth are you trying to engage in OTW smack-talk with Mike? You've never been in even one OTW race in your life and most likely never will. You're making yourself look an even bigger moron than you already do, which is going some...

He doesn't particularly like looking like a moron but it is a small price to pay for the attention.

Where I grew up smack talk was OK especially if it is witty and clever, but looking like an idiot was not. Guess the internet changes everything.

[leadville]

erging a 6:45 at CRASH-bs did not get me to "National level" sculling speed. I needed extensive OTW experience and expert coaching.

Yep, you did.

But I am not you, Mike.

I am going to row 6:16 on the erg, not 6:45.

Then I am only going to pull 7.5 SPI OTW, not 9.5 SPI, but I will rate 38 spm for 1K, not 28 spm.

You indeed need extensive OTW experience and expert coaching to go fast OTW without any significant aerobic capacity and therefore no ability to rate up.

No one else I know is in your situation, though, so your experience is unique.

Good luck with it.

ranger

In the overstuffed file cabinet containing rangerboy's unbelievably stupid, incredibly uninformed, just outright boneheaded comments, this has to be at the top.

You cretin, NO ONE goes fast in a single without at least passable technique. One with, as NavHaz has so thoroughly and expertly pointed out, horrid technique (that would be you, r-boy) will NEVER go fast, no matter what rating you row. Sculling is the art of putting as much energy into moving horizontally as possible while disrupting that horizontal motion as little as possible.

How would you, who have never ever even raced in a single, know what it takes to go fast? You, who won't take advice from anyone who doesn't pull big erg numbers? Using rangerlogic, you shouldn't listen to yourself because you've never accomplished ANYTHING in a single.

[ranger]

You cretin, NO ONE goes fast in a single without at least passable technique.

My technique is entirely passable.

I pull 7-7.5 SPI, 2:10 @ 23 spm, etc.

I just need to draw on my fitness to rate up.

And that's that.

If I rate 36-38 spm in a 1K, I'll go 1:50 pace, too.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Hey, Mike.

Rate 28 spm in a 1K if you want.

But I'll rate 38 spm.

ranger

In your Fluid?

I'll carry popcorn in my boat for the occasion

Will you buy me a hot dog if this doesn't prior to the time you turn 62?

[ranger]

You've never been in even one OTW race in your life

I have been rowing OTW for seven years.

I am now rowing 12K a day OTW, after 12K on the erg.

How much you race doesn't have anything to do with anything.

What is important is how you train.

I was four seconds under the 50s lwt WR in my first erg race--6:27.5.

Before that race, I had only pulled two 2Ks in my life, one at 6:42 and one at 6:32.

How much you race is irrelevant to how fast you are.

Entirely irrelevant.

ranger

[ranger]

The most important elements of boat speed are physical capacity and training.

Technique is a distant third.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike VB doesn't have a hope in hell of beating a younger rower who rates up.

You can't win a 1K at 28 spm with great technique if others are rating 38 spm with passable technique.

Impossible.

ranger

[ranger]

Rowing is an athletic affair.

If your youthful maxHR was 230 bpm but is now 163 bpm, you are physically crippled.

You can't go anywhere very fast in rowing, either OTErg or OTW.

Why?

You can't rate up.

For younger rowers, 163 bpm is just a bit over a UT2 HR.

70% of 230 bpm is 161 bpm.

ranger

[bloomp]

The most important elements of boat speed are physical capacity and training.

Technique is a distant third.

ranger

That's for sweep rowing. If you haven't noticed, Davenports book focuses on that NOT sculling.