The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

... As I have mentioned, I think I can now do 17.3K

You have been mentioning that for a very long time but I think I represent well when I say we are all interested in what you CAN do .. right now, this season. Even though you will be a HWT.

JimR

Are you talking to Mike, or to me?

I have posted my most recent 2K in my signature.

This was done a couple of weeks ago.

As I do other races, I will post them, too.

Mike claims a 6:45 2K and a 16.1K 60min.

This year, he has done neither.

RANKING RESULTS 2010
Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (55–59) | Current 2010 Season

You are number 1 of 101

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 6:47.6 IND_V
3 Jonathan Rich 56 Winter Park FL USA 6:52.3 RACE
4 Eric Winterbottom 58 Bodytalk GBR 7:01.9 RACE
5 Gary Passler 55 amesbury MA USA 7:05.0 RACE
6 David Sutkowy 56 manlius NY USA 7:05.4 RACE
6 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
8 John Busk 56 Slangerup DEN 7:07.6 IND
9 Ernest Cook 55 Brookline MA USA 7:08.3 RACE
10 Daniel Devez 56 Port-Marly Rc FRA 7:08.5 RACE

The 2K that Mike lists, 6:47.6, was indeed done this year, but it is not an official race result.

Mike's only official race result this year is 6:49.7, from WIRC 2010.

2010 C.R.A.S.H.-B. Sprints World Indoor Rowing Championships
Event: Lightweight Veteran Men (Age 55-59)

1 van Beuren Michael Upper Valley Rowing Foundation 06:49.7 57
2 Rich Jonathan Unaffiliated 06:53.5 56
3 Passler Gary Unaffiliated 07:05.0 55
4 Sutkowy David Unaffiliated 07:05.4 56
5 Cook Ernest Riverside Boat Club 07:08.3 55
6 Riess Bill Unaffiliated 07:24.0 56
7 Richard Eric Unaffiliated 07:27.2 58
8 Gregory Thomas Gold's Gym Pawtucket RI 07:43.0 56
9 Sherwood Chris Unaffiliated 08:00.0 55
10 English James Unaffiliated 08:31.4 58
11 Rasmussen Jan Erik Skullerud Sport Senter Norway 08:45.6 56

Mike is two years younger than I am.

ranger

[Yankeerunner]

RANKING RESULTS 2010
Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (55–59) | Current 2010 Season

You are number 1 of 101

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 6:47.6 IND_V
3 Jonathan Rich 56 Winter Park FL USA 6:52.3 RACE
4 Eric Winterbottom 58 Bodytalk GBR 7:01.9 RACE
5 Gary Passler 55 amesbury MA USA 7:05.0 RACE
6 David Sutkowy 56 manlius NY USA 7:05.4 RACE
6 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
8 John Busk 56 Slangerup DEN 7:07.6 IND
9 Ernest Cook 55 Brookline MA USA 7:08.3 RACE
10 Daniel Devez 56 Port-Marly Rc FRA 7:08.5 RACE

The 2K that Mike lists, 6:47.6, was indeed done this year, but it is not an official race result.

Mike's only official race result this year is 6:49.7, from WIRC 2010.

ranger

Not true. Mike's 6:47.6 was done in an official race, held annually (7th annual), requiring him to show at a specified time at a specified place. PM4 race software was used, with the random SIT READY, ATTENTION, ROW commands, and witnesses included formuties Will Haskell (connected through his PM4 to Mike's race at the same time), Jon Bone (Navigation Hazard), Paul G, Gary Passler (listed above in your copy & pasted list ), Chad Goss, and myself as well as some 15 other witnesses.

I'd invite you too except that you're as close to the Ty Cobb of erging as anyone out there and I wouldn't want you there spoiling the day.

[JimR]

Are you talking to Mike, or to me? ... Mike claims ...

Interesting ... it is you who has not done a 60 minute this year ... because you are slower than Mike, even as a HWT! Mike has an IND_V of 15432m for 60 minutes ... something that remains far out of reach for you.

All your boasting is an attempt to hide from this.

JimR

[ranger]

Mike's 6:47.6 was done in an official race

Then you should submit the times to C2 as RACE results and have the status of Mike's time changed in the rankings.

The row was not IND_V.

ranger

[ranger]

Are you talking to Mike, or to me? ... Mike claims ...

Interesting
JimR

Interesting that Mike is not citing present results?

I agree.

Past results are irrelevant.

We are interested in what Mike can do now, this year, not last year, or some time back back when, like 2003.



ranger

[ranger]

All your boasting is an attempt to hide

The only result I cite in my signature is my recent 6:41.4 2K.

A boast?

No.

The best.

ranger

[JimR]

... Past results are irrelevant ... We are interested in what Mike can do now, this year ...

Mike has posted a 60 minute result as an IND_V for this ranking year, the distance was 15432 meters. Why are you unable to post a better result?

You claim you can ... and yet all you do is refer to what you allegedly did in 2003 as a HWT.

That is what I find interesting

JimR

[ranger]

... Past results are irrelevant ... We are interested in what Mike can do now, this year ...

Mike has posted a 60 minute result as an IND_V for this ranking year, the distance was 15432 meters. Why are you unable to post a better result?

You claim you can ... and yet all you do is refer to what you allegedly did in 2003 as a HWT.

That is what I find interesting

JimR

I will post a 60min score soon.

Why don't I try to beat Mike's score?

15.4K is a waste of time.

I can row all day at 1:56 pace.

In my first go, I want to try 1:46.

Then I'll do it a few more times, trying to press that down to 1:44.

ranger

[KevJGK]

I can row all day at 1:56 pace.

Want a bet?

[becz]

No, I don't think that this is at all true.

If I pull 1:44 for 60min,

(1) Fully trained, I can indeed pull 6:16 for 2K.

(2) I win $2000 from Henry.

(3) I break the 50s _heavyweight_ WR for 60min by 300m, not to mention the WRs for the 50s, 40s, and 30s lightweights.

(4) My training over the last seven years has been the best in the history of the sport.

(5) So, over the last seven years, most of what has been presumed and/or said on these threads by the forum, both about me and mytraining, has been wrong.

ranger

After reading this, I think you've confirmed that it doesn't mean anything to anyone other than you.

True, if you have no interest in rowing, effective training methods for rowing, present standards in the sport, the history of the sport, money, and our social interaction here on the forum, then it is only my concern.

Is the mustard spicy on that hot dog?

Watch out!

Don't get it on your tie!



ranger

Note my added emphasis above. You are not a rower. You train on a stationary piece of exercize equipment in your basement, by yourself, day after day. You compete at a few ERG events each year, failing more often than succeeding, and quitting when it suits you. I won 4 medals at the Master's National ROWING Championships last year, 2 in my 1x, 2 in sweep boats, in 95F weather and 80% humidity. It was a struggle to row multiple times a day, but I never quit. I attended with my team of over 40 rowers...we socialized, we cheered each other on, we ate together, competed together, roomed together. I also competed in the Head of the Charles (not the Head of the Charles River as you like to call it) for the 12th time last year, again in my 1x. I met old rowing friends who I respect, we wished each other well, cheered for each other, launched together in the freezing cold on Saturday morning, praying that the wind would hold off. I'm a ROWER, and I compete and give it my best every time I row, whether I'm in first place or last. As long as you do that, there is no failure. You, however, fail every time you spew your ridiculous self-idolatry, and discuss how wonderful you think you are, and how misguided the rest of the world is. I can best your erg times any day of the week, and those of many other rowers my age (and younger), but you will never, ever find me telling anyone how good I am, or being anything less than supportive of someone who is striving to make themselves better. You should be absolutely ashamed of yourself. Do your children read what you write here? Your wife?

And I don't like mustard on my hot dogs, but if I have any on my tie it's better than the pile of crap you have on your face.

[JimR]

I can row all day at 1:56 pace.

Want a bet?

Is a bet with ranger like an oxymoron???

JimR

[JimR]

... Past results are irrelevant ... We are interested in what Mike can do now, this year ...

Mike has posted a 60 minute result as an IND_V for this ranking year, the distance was 15432 meters. Why are you unable to post a better result?

You claim you can ... and yet all you do is refer to what you allegedly did in 2003 as a HWT.

That is what I find interesting

JimR

I will post a 60min score soon.

Why don't I try to beat Mike's score?

15.4K is a waste of time.

I can row all day at 1:56 pace.

In my first go, I want to try 1:46.

Then I'll do it a few more times, trying to press that down to 1:44.

ranger

Your understanding of the word "soon" is nothing short of laughable ... however the deadline for a 60m post in the 2010 rankings is drawing to a close. I would be surprised to see anything getting posted actually.

I believe doing a 15500m 60 minute workout and posting it to the rankings as IND_V is no less a waste of time than going on a two hour bike ride. The truth (that Mike himself pointed out) is you can't do it ... everything else is just your "run and hide" posturing.

I like that ... "run and hide" ... kind of like your "fly and die" racing technique.

Just sayin'

JimR

[KevJGK]

Is a bet with ranger like an oxymoron???

Probably as in "the silence whistles" & "faith unfaithful kept him falsely true."

However there are ways to guarantee settlement, even from slippery eels.

[nycbone]

And that friends is what makes a true athlete/sportsperson:

Note my added emphasis above. You are not a rower. You train on a stationary piece of exercize equipment in your basement, by yourself, day after day. You compete at a few ERG events each year, failing more often than succeeding, and quitting when it suits you. I won 4 medals at the Master's National ROWING Championships last year, 2 in my 1x, 2 in sweep boats, in 95F weather and 80% humidity. It was a struggle to row multiple times a day, but I never quit. I attended with my team of over 40 rowers...we socialized, we cheered each other on, we ate together, competed together, roomed together. I also competed in the Head of the Charles (not the Head of the Charles River as you like to call it) for the 12th time last year, again in my 1x. I met old rowing friends who I respect, we wished each other well, cheered for each other, launched together in the freezing cold on Saturday morning, praying that the wind would hold off. I'm a ROWER, and I compete and give it my best every time I row, whether I'm in first place or last. As long as you do that, there is no failure. You, however, fail every time you spew your ridiculous self-idolatry, and discuss how wonderful you think you are, and how misguided the rest of the world is. I can best your erg times any day of the week, and those of many other rowers my age (and younger), but you will never, ever find me telling anyone how good I am, or being anything less than supportive of someone who is striving to make themselves better. You should be absolutely ashamed of yourself. Do your children read what you write here? Your wife?

And I don't like mustard on my hot dogs, but if I have any on my tie it's better than the pile of crap you have on your face.

[Bob S.]

Come on guys let's help Tom a bit, hoe can he accomplish this ? reach this

Interesting typo.

Bob S.