Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

After 15K of erging, spent the morning over at Europe Lake working on my technical faults OTW at low rates.

1178 strokes, at right about 10MPS, so just about 12K.

Ausrwr is right about my contact at the footplate. My left heel has problems. Worked on keeping it down throughout the stroke cycle.

Sitting up straighter helps many of my faults--short-sliding, bad finishes, etc. I slump too much.

Some of the problems with my right oar are problems with my grip. I need to hold the right handle out in my fingers where I can get better control. It tends slip down into my palm.

Worked on softening catches and accelerating the handles throughout the drive.

When I get things right, I do a nice 2:10 @ 22 spm (7.3 SPI).

I need to do a lot of 20K rows, 2:10 @ 22 spm, concentrating on getting it right.

ranger

[ranger]

You are NOT fast enough to win anything. You will NOT be at nationals next year as you will still suck and you are a coward.

If you could row a 38, which you cannot, you would slow the boat down so much by virtue of checking it at both ends of the stroke that you would go slower than almost anyone else rowing a 28.

No need to rate 38 spm until I get better; then when I am better, sure, that's what my fitness will let me rate.

I can do a nice 1:50 @ 33 spm right now.

That's plenty fast to win.

See you at Nationals next year.

ranger

[ranger]

Since, as you now admit, your sculling sucks and there is a lot work on, why did you claim just yesterday that only fitness work was all that remained to be done?

In order to prepare for a lwt 1:34/6:16 at 60 OTErg, that's true. Just fitness stuff remains to be done.

I suppose when I said that I row well OTW, I should have said I row as well as any other 60s rower OTW.

I am pulling up over 7 SPI, and I can rate up.

This fall, OTW, I think I'll do 1:50 pace for 1K and 2:00 pace for 5K.

ranger

[ranger]

If my fitness 'sucks', how is it that I've won the National championship in the single twice in two years?

Stretch that 1K to 2K and you couldn't beat your mother.

At 15 seconds per 500m over erg times, you would do 2:00 pace for 2K.

What is your best time at the Head of the Charles?

What is your best finish?

ranger

[snowleopard]

Since, as you now admit, your sculling sucks and there is a lot work on, why did you claim just yesterday that only fitness work was all that remained to be done?

In order to prepare for a lwt 1:34/6:16 at 60 OTErg, that's true. Just fitness stuff remains to be done.

No, Dufus. Go back, read and reconsider what you wrote. Your reference was to your OTW 'prowess'

[ranger]

No, Dufus. Go back, read and reconsider what you wrote. Your reference was to your OTW 'prowess'

Sure.

So let's wait and see.

This fall, if I do 1:50 pace for 1K and 2:00 pace for 5K, no one my age is any better--right now.

Sure, to do 1:45 pace for 1K and 1:55 pace for 5K, I will have to improve my technique--a lot.

But that is certainly going to happen.

I think I will continue to improve OTW for several more years.

ranger

[ranger]

At the HOCR last year, 40 of the 50 Veteran boats didn't pull 2:10 pace.

I can row 2:10 pace at 22 spm with a UT2 HR.

Ultimately, I think I'll rate 30 spm at HOCR (and other head races).

ranger

[ranger]

I''ve actually finished the head of the Charles three times in a single

So, last year, 25th place at 2:12 pace?

What did you rate?

ranger

[mikvan52]

ranger:
Consider your options:

you can (1) continue your pathetic habit of insulting people (a waste of time) or (2) get serious & turn this back into a training thread

Here's a tip:

Look at your videos from yesterday.
Are you rowing smoothly without wasting watts (effort)?

Here's a shot of a sculler who still needs to improve but is light years ahead of you and will remain so unless you change your approach to things. (I move smoothly) You need to move smoothly before you can really sustain going fast

Do not think you can learn everything on your own at this late date. Get expert coaching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tQAv3vI-yw

[mikvan52]

I can row 2:10 pace at 22 spm with a UT2 HR.

Glad you can row as you say.
...but unglad that you cannot sustain this for more than a few strokes.
When will you confirm your claims w/ NK monitor data?

You have it in the memory of your device RIGHT NOW.
It seems you are relying on a supposition that your readers do not know that you do and that you will be convincing by merely making wild claims..

Consider reaching across your desk, picking up your NK, turning it on, hitting the MEMORY function, & typing a post that includes what you actually do.
Otherwise, you have no reason to be believed.

[hjs]

I can row 2:10 pace at 22 spm with a UT2 HR.

Glad you can row as you say.
...but unglad that you cannot sustain this for more than a few strokes.
When will you confirm your claims w/ NK monitor data?

You have it in the memory of your device RIGHT NOW.
It seems you are relying on a supposition that your readers do not know that you do and that you will be convincing by merely making wild claims..

Consider reaching across your desk, picking up your NK, turning it on, hitting the MEMORY function, & typing a post that includes what you actually do.
Otherwise, you have no reason to be believed.

Rich:
I THINK I'LL GO BACK TO LURKING HERE... THERE'S NOTHING LEFT TO BE SAID UNTIL YOU COME UP WITH SOME REAL RESULT...

Wanna bet, mikvan52? You are probably number 2 by far in posts in this thread. I will bet you $1.00 that you can't go 2 weeks without posting. And unlike that little lying pathetic old man, I will pay up if you do.

mike

[nharrigan]

At the HOCR last year, 40 of the 50 Veteran boats didn't pull 2:10 pace.

I can row 2:10 pace at 22 spm with a UT2 HR.

Ultimately, I think I'll rate 30 spm at HOCR (and other head races).

ranger

I'm curious as to why you keep quoting the pace per 500 in the HOCR or any race for that matter? It's not a straight course and all sorts of conditions greatly affect the rowers time- current, water temperature, wind, passing other competitors, going through bridges, and the turns. A good sculler can row the course one day and be 60 seconds slower (or faster) the next day, just because of wind.

[ranger]

i dont row. I erg for fitness.

Ah.

So you are incompetent.

Are you unfit, too?

What is your age, weight, and 2K?

ranger

[ranger]

I'm curious as to why you keep quoting the pace per 500 in the HOCR or any race for that matter? It's not a straight course and all sorts of conditions greatly affect the rowers time- current, water temperature, wind, passing other competitors, going through bridges, and the turns. A good sculler can row the course one day and be 60 seconds slower (or faster) the next day, just because of wind.

Sure.

It's all relative.

Bad conditions produce slower times.

Good conditions produce faster times.

But races like HOCR have a long history.

There have been lots of good days.

For instance, conditions were _very_ good and times, very fast, last year (and the year before?).

As 60s Veterans, Meyer and Anderson did just over 2:00 pace.

No 60s Veteran has rowed HOCR at better than 2:00 pace.

As a 50s Grand Master, leadville did 2:12 pace.

ranger

[mikvan52]

I can row 2:10 pace at 22 spm with a UT2 HR.

Glad you can row as you say.
...but unglad that you cannot sustain this for more than a few strokes.
When will you confirm your claims w/ NK monitor data?

You have it in the memory of your device RIGHT NOW.
It seems you are relying on a supposition that your readers do not know that you do and that you will be convincing by merely making wild claims..

Consider reaching across your desk, picking up your NK, turning it on, hitting the MEMORY function, & typing a post that includes what you actually do.
Otherwise, you have no reason to be believed.

Rich:
I THINK I'LL GO BACK TO LURKING HERE... THERE'S NOTHING LEFT TO BE SAID UNTIL YOU COME UP WITH SOME REAL RESULT...

Wanna bet, mikvan52? You are probably number 2 by far in posts in this thread. I will bet you $1.00 that you can't go 2 weeks without posting. And unlike that little lying pathetic old man, I will pay up if you do.

mike

The bet is on!
Will you throw in a beer and a bobble hat?