6:28 2K

[mikvan52]

Gosh, Rich:

You seem to be saying "do as I do", but then you don't. Why not post your own IND_V performances (see below)

I guess one might say: "you don't do "do-do" like you used to in '02"

When exactly did you last steam along at sub 1:48/500m pace for an hour without a break to re-grease? 2003 ??

Ah yes there it is!

and "(you're) much better than that now"

RANKING RESULTS 2003

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 60 minutes | Men's | All Weight Classes | Ages 50-59 | 2003 Season

1 rod freed 53 mission viejo ca USA 17132 IND
2 walter krawec 51 St. Catharines On CAN 16725 IND
3 Rich Cureton 51 not 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 16692 IND
4 Joe Greco 50 S. Burlington VT USA 16619 IND
5 Risto Ylinen 51 Vantaa FIN 16440 IND
6 dennis hastings 52 evergreen co USA 16382 IND

But why is there nothing from you in either weight class for the hour since the 2003 rankings?



RANKING RESULTS 2009

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 60 minutes | Men's | All Weight Classes | Ages 50-59 | 2009 Season

1 James Crawford 54 Manhasset NY USA 16844 C2Log
2 Joe Greco 56 S. Burlington VT USA 16665 IND_V
3 Greg Trahar 50 Eltham, London GBR 16473 IND_V
4 Horst Schwanke 54 Starnberg BAVARIA GER 16393 IND
5 Mark Evans 51 Bebington, Wirral, Merseyside GBR 16325 RowPro
6 Steven Geary 51 Bluff South Island NZL 16218 IND
7 Tony Green 51 Huntingdon SUB 7 IRC - Cambs GBR 16178 IND
8 Michael van Beuren 55 Hartland VT USA 16138 IND_V
9 Al Hallberg 53 Waikanae Wellington NZL 16115 IND
10 Madis Lohmus 54 Tallinn - EST 16101 IND
11 Michael Meyer 50 Frankfurt am Main GER 16096 IND
12 Larry Tait 52 Montreal QC CAN 16089 RowPro
13 ola hjorth 51 oslo NOR 16000 IND
14 Richard Cheeseman 50 Croydon Sub7 IRC GBR 15994 IND
15 Tom Cattell 54 FALMOUTH ME USA 15964 IND
16 Hennie Martini 50 Oosterhout NB NLD 15924 RowPro
17 Peter Wettstein 58 Rochester MN USA 15921 IND
18 Michael Pettit 53 Garland TX USA 15918 IND
19 Tolly Allen 52 Palm City FL USA 15857 IND
20 Noel Read 53 Melbourne AUS 15850 IND
21 Gary Dakin 52 Nottingham GBR 15805 IND
22 John Bunce 56 Hamilton NZL 15785 IND
23 David Busby 50 Abingdon Oxfordshire GBR 15779 IND
24 Mike Hagen 52 Burnaby BC CAN 15766 IND_V
25 Raoul Wiart 51 CAN 15757 RowPro
26 Andy Osborn 53 Wantage SUB-7 IRC Oxon GBR 15756 RowPro
27 Scott Reynolds 52 Bloomington IL USA 15755 IND
28 John Davidson 53 Great Somerford Free Spirits GBR 15744 IND
29 Chris Gibson 56 Pittsburgh PA USA 15717 IND
30 Nick Ballard 50 Ramsbury, Wiltshire Age Without Limits GBR 15716 IND_V
31 Graeme Hogan 53 Auckland NZL 15712 IND
32 Dragan Vujovic 53 Zagreb EU USA 15700 IND
33 Curt Kaufmann 57 Philadelphia PA USA 15681 IND
34 Philip Roesel 50 Statesboro GA USA 15664 RowPro
35 Donald Main 51 GLASGOW SCOTLAND GBR 15651 IND
36 Keith Thomas 59 West Linton SCOTLAND GBR 15648 IND
37 Rob Justus 55 Placentia CA USA 15635 IND
38 Ernie Parizeau 51 Wellesley MA USA 15621 RowPro
39 ken mouldey 58 kamloops british columbia CAN 15609 IND_V
40 Rolf Meek 58 Oslo NOR 15606 IND
41 John Sisk 52 Brookline MA USA 15603 IND
42 Layton James 57 Stevenage GBR 15602 IND
43 Jon Williams 57 Waterbury Center Vermont USA 15587 IND
44 Rod Chinn 51 Forest Row Sub 7 irc GBR 15582 IND
45 Frans Klarenbeek 52 Alkmaar Noord Holland NLD 15540 IND
46 Pierre Rainville 52 Fort McMurray Alberta CAN 15526 IND
47 Bernd Mizera 56 Dresden GER 15517 IND
48 George Geier 57 Marion In USA 15515 IND
49 Tad Woliczko 57 Santa Cruz Ca. USA 15464 IND
50 Mark Read 52 Nepean ON CAN 15432 IND

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 60 minutes | Men's | All Weight Classes | Ages 50-59 | Current 2010 Season


1 James Crawford 55 Manhasset NY USA 16873 C2Log
Steve Krum 54 Manhattan Beach CA USA 16835 IND
2 Greg Trahar 51 Eltham, London GBR 16574 IND_V
3 Tom Carpenter 50 Kingston ON CAN 16560 IND
4 Larry Tait 53 Montreal QC CAN 16516 RowPro
5 Nick Rockliff 52 Tadcaster Nth Yorkshire GBR 16383 IND
6 Michael Pettit 53 Garland TX USA 16295 RowPro
7 Jørgen Bloch 50 Brøndby Free Spirits DEN 16240 C2Log
8 Mark Evans 51 Bebington, Wirral, Merseyside GBR 16175 RowPro
9 ola hjorth 51 oslo NOR 16134 IND
10 Alex Pond 51 Mississauga Ontario CAN 16115 C2Log
11 Michael Slavin 50 San Francisco CA USA 16061 IND
12 Horst Schwanke 55 Starnberg BAVARIA GER 16053 IND
13 York Langerfeld 56 Parksville B.C. CAN 16050 IND
14 Kent Timm 51 Saginaw MI USA 16000 IND
15 Steve Roedde 55 Richards Landing ON CAN 15932 IND_V
16 Gregg Stone 57 Newton MA USA 15904 IND
17 Charles Bahr 51 Murray Hill NJ USA 15824 IND
18 Noel Read 54 Melbourne AUS 15810 IND
19 Dave Frost 56 San Diego CA USA 15804 IND
20 Chris Berry 55 Shorewood mn USA 15715 IND
21 ken mouldey 59 kamloops british columbia CAN 15704 IND_V
22 Greg Williams 59 Lake Stevens Wa USA 15692 IND
23 Jon Williams 58 Waterbury Center Vermont USA 15676 IND
24 Rod Chinn 52 Forest Row Sub 7 irc GBR 15669 IND
25 Ernie Parizeau 52 Wellesley MA USA 15661 RowPro
26 Mike McDevitt 50 Somers Point NJ USA 15634 IND
27 Steve Schmitt 50 Falls Church VA USA 15622 IND
28 Walter Field 50 Port Coquitlam British Columbia CAN 15620 IND
29 Bill Riddick 52 Ottawa ON CAN 15600 IND_V
30 Yisroel Homnick 50 Indianapolis IN USA 15569 IND
31 John Bunce 57 Hamilton NZL 15564 IND
32 John Davidson 55 Great Somerford Free Spirits GBR 15558 IND
33 Keith Thomas 59 West Linton SCOTLAND GBR 15557 IND
34 Brant Taylor 50 Bradford GBR 15546 IND
35 David Hosking 54 London GBR 15541 IND
36 nick maidment 52 bournemouth GBR 15530 IND
37 Richard Davie 51 Burntisland Scotland GBR 15517 IND
38 Pierre Rainville 53 Fort McMurray Alberta CAN 15513 IND
39 Michael van der Linden 51 Mt Gambier SA AUS 15473 IND_V
40 George Geier 57 Marion In USA 15470 IND
40 Roland Wegener 50 Dresden Sachsen GER 15470 IND
42 Kevin Thompson 54 Aurora ON CAN 15461 IND
43 Brian Crebbin 52 Perth WA AUS 15450 C2Log
44 Edmund Napp 56 Honeoye Falls NY USA 15430 IND
45 Mark Read 53 Nepean ON CAN 15428 IND
46 Donald Main 52 GLASGOW SCOTLAND GBR 15410 IND
47 alan wisniewski 57 Seaford Free Spirits GBR 15402 IND
48 Scott Pape 51 Simsbury CT USA 15377 IND
49 Tad Woliczko 58 Santa Cruz Ca. USA 15342 IND

[chgoss]

ranger

You do realise that even if your 12 hour bike ride shows you at the weight you want on Monday your body fat %age won't have changed, don't you?

The long ride is not to achieve any immediate effect but to take advantage of an opportunity made available by my training.

You're saying that this sudden dramatic increase in cycling has nothing to do with you realizing that getting to 165lbs at a race venue is going to be very hard work indeed for you right now?

[ranger]

His mission on this earth is to entertain

Agreed.

Bring your popcorn.

Get your hot dogs.

The show is about to go on.

Without the winners, those who push against limits, as a sport, erging would be pretty dull.

I'll give everyone a nice wave "hello" from the podium.

ranger

[ranger]

"(you're) much better than that now"

Yea.

I think I'll now do 1:44 @ 27 spm for 60min, right on my target.

That's now top-end UT1 (170 bpm).

I'll do 1:48 @ 25 spm for a FM, also right on my target.

That's low UT1 (155 bpm).

ranger

[ranger]

You're saying that this sudden dramatic increase in cycling has nothing to do with you realizing that getting to 165lbs at a race venue is going to be very hard work indeed for you right now?

Yes, getting to 156.5 lbs. will be unprecedented for me, since about my freshman year in college.

I have never been that light as an adult.

I'll have to work _very_ hard at this age to get to 8% body fat.

ranger

[KevJGK]

I'll have to work _very_ hard at this age to get to 8% body fat.

You don't have to work any harder.

If the training volumes you report are even half true you just need some basic diet advice.

[chgoss]

I'll have to work _very_ hard at this age to get to 8% body fat.

You don't have to work any harder.

If the training volumes you report are even half true you just need some basic diet advice.

Yep, sounds like you got an eating problem, not an excercising problem.

it's a fairly common problem

[ranger]

3 Rich Cureton 51 not 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 16692 IND

Yes, that was 2002.

In 2006, I wasn't concerned at all about distance rowing in my training but in the end I pulled 6:29 for 2K, without even preparing for it, just on the basis of foundational rowing, without distance rowing or sharpening, just on a hard AT row, so I was quite a bit better then than I was four years earlier.

I suppose we'll have to wait and see, but since I have added distance rowing, I think I am quite a bit better now than I was in 2006.

This year, I will sharpen for the nextt six months.

That should get me to my targets.

Yes, one of my important targets is 60min, 1:44 @ 27 spm.

That would break the 50s _heavyweight_ WR by 300m and approach adding almost a mile to what any 60s lwt has ever pulled for 60min.

ranger

[ranger]

I'll have to work _very_ hard at this age to get to 8% body fat.

You don't have to work any harder.

If the training volumes you report are even half true you just need some basic diet advice.

I am not sure that someone such as me, who was 165 lbs. as a lean, three-sport athlete when he was 20 as a sophomore in college, but who has rowed almost 20 times now as a 50s lwt over the span of an entire decade, needs advice about weight loss.

I think I am an expert.

Can't argue results.

Only 1% of the general 60s male population is 8% body fat, and I would guess that most of that 1% can't row a lick because they are carrying around no muscle. They are ectomorphs, skin and bone, gawky beanpoles and little wimps.

Gawky beanpoles and little wimps don't go anywhere very fast in a 2K.

They are in the wrong sport.

Sure, rowing takes endurance, but it also takes explosive, full-body power, applied effectively and effcientlly over sustained periods, up to 2-3 hours, a FM, in order to get fully rained.

Then it takes the ability to apply that explosive full-body power (13 SPI?) with equal effectiveness and efficiency for six to seven continuous minutes while running in and around a maxHR.

ranger

[ranger]

I rowed a goodly number of meters the other day at 90-95% HR
I didn't sweat enough to leave a mark on the floor and my socks were barely moist.
How does sweat theory explain that? I was working very hard: 1:37.x avg/r.30 spm. If I do an hour at 1:51 pace I don't lose more than 2 lbs and that's only temporary until I rehydrate then I'm back where I was.

Yea, I like taking vacations, too, but if you don't work hard, you will never get anywhere in rowing.

Your crappy little sprints, rowing well, elide all of he (long and hard!) work you need to do to learn to row well.

Why just leave it out?

Lazy?

To be effective, you need to hold about 310 watts in your stroke, I think, when you are doing distance rowing.

That's 1:44 @ 27 spm (11.5 SPI), not 1:51 @ 27 spm (9.5 SPI).

The difference is 2 SPI.

At 27 spm, 54 watts.

Given this effectiveness, then you need to learn to be efficient with it, perhaps so efficient that you can do it with a low UT1 HR, for you, about 135 bpm.

When you get to that point, you can do the long (30K) Level 3 rows that Caviston does when he is not doing his Level 4 foundational training, Level 2 AT conditioning, or Level 1 anaerobic sharpening.

To get to this point in your Level 3 rowing, though, you need to do a _ton_ of rowing at low rates and high stroking powers (Level 4), rowing well (13 SPI), so that the distance rowing at a high stroking power doesn't kill you.

13 SPI is not 2:00 @ 20 spm (10 SPI) but 1:50 @ 20 spm (13 SPI).

If you don't do _either_ solid foundational training or solid distance rowing, then, gee, what is there to complain about when you get to a 2K and are slow?

You aren't willing to train hard enough to get fast.

Ya gets whats youse pays fa.

The erg is a truth machine.

Retributive justice is alive and well in ergsviille.

What you do unto the erg in training, the erg will (later on) do unto you in a race.

ranger

[ranger]

I'll have to work _very_ hard at this age to get to 8% body fat.

You don't have to work any harder.

If the training volumes you report are even half true you just need some basic diet advice.

Yep, sounds like you got an eating problem, not an excercising problem.

it's a fairly common problem

No, I don't have an eating problem.

I suspect I only have an age problem.

Barring a few scattered counterparts, historically, what I am doing, simultaneously, in terms of strength, aerobic conditioning, and body composition is unprecedented, given my age.

ranger

[ranger]

BTW, I don't know what rate he used, but 1:44 was just the pace that Rod Freed used for his famous 2 x 30min workouts.

Sing it.

Free-dom.

Free-dom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT72bL7xocM

ranger

[hjs]

You don't have to work any harder.

If the training volumes you report are even half true you just need some basic diet advice.

Yep, sounds like you got an eating problem, not an excercising problem.

it's a fairly common problem

No, I don't have an eating problem.


ranger

You gain 20 plus lbs pound each year , after the winterseason, despite "training" 3 hours every day, and you don,t have an eating problem?

Jan Ulrich's eating problem wasn,t even so big

[snowleopard]

Yep, sounds like you got an eating problem, not an excercising problem.

it's a fairly common problem

No, I don't have an eating problem.


ranger

You gain 20 plus lbs pound each year , after the winterseason, despite "training" 3 hours every day, and you don,t have an eating problem?

Jan Ulrich's eating problem wasn,t even so big

Of course he has an eating problem. The problem is finding enough hours in the day to eat so many calories that he puts on weight despite the hours of training.

Maybe he eats Hershey bars while posting. Maybe he drinks sodas while erging. Maybe he sucks marshmallows while cycling. There certainly aren't enough hours in the day for his training, posting _and_ eating.

[NavigationHazard]

Posted Jan 8 7:45 am server time:

So, I will just go to bed early (7 pm), get up at midnight, and ride until noon.

Posted Jan 8 4:02 pm server time:

Tomorrow, I will do 12 hours on my bike.

Posted Jan 8 4:10 pm server time:

Maybe you should actually do some stuff first before sounding off about [the oddity of attempting a 12-hr bike ride in the run-up to competition].

Some of us here aren't just talkin'.

Normal, non-Bergsonian understanding of "tomorrow" and "I will" and the snarky "Some of us here aren't just talkin'" would seem to imply a 12-hr bike-ride attempt on Saturday Jan 9, starting at midnight and finishing at noon.

Have I missed something?

Posted Jan 9 12:59am, 1:03 am, 1:46 am, 1:57 am server time (3:59 am, 4:03 am, 4:46 am, 4:57 am Ann Arbor time) ...

Posted Jan 9 11:14 pm, 11:19 pm server time (2:14 am Jan 10 Ann Arbor time)...

Posted Jan 10 12:19 am, 12:30 am, 12:43 am server time (2:19 am, 2:30 am, 2:43 am Ann Arbor time)...

Blah blah blather....

Thought not....