Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

That qualifies as ASSHOLE of the week winner!

I am an asshole because Tinpusher can't rate above 26 spm but I can rate 38 spm?

I guess I don't understand.

26 spm is not "fast" rowing.

ranger

[ranger]

If one is maxed out at 2k at 1:52 pace and 30+ spm, what makes anyone think they can hold the same pace and rating for 3 miles?

You can do 2K, 1:52 @ 30 spm?

Really?

I thought that you have only done 1K @ 1:50 once, and even so, quite a while ago now.

Can you still do 1:50 for 1K?

2K is usually done at 1K + 5.

ranger

[mikvan52]

That qualifies as ASSHOLE of the week winner!

I am an asshole because Tinpusher can't rate above 26 spm but I can rate 38 spm?

I guess I don't understand.

26 spm is not "fast" rowing.

ranger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg

particularly:
"They feed off of negative reactions"

I guess it's TSO's "feeding time" in Door County. (yawn)

[ranger]

The sub-text is: ranger no plans to never race his single at any major regatta...
He can scull "well" on all the frog-ponds in Michigan with impunity...

Not at all.

The sub-text is this:

A boat is a boat. A speed coach is a speed coach. Rowing is rowing. Water is water.

If you can do something alone on a frog-pond, you can do it in a public race at a world-class venue.

If you can't do something alone on a frog-pond, you can't do it in a public race at a world-class venue.

ranger

[ranger]

your fitness is already maximal

True.

I can't do anything to improve my base fitness.

All that remains is race preparation.

In race preparation, you just push your HR up to max, bringing up your anaerobic capacities.

Sharpening is a no-brainer.

Everyone does it pretty much the same way and gets pretty much the same benefit, usually something like a dozen seconds over 2K.

My FM trial, 1:48 @ 23 spm (or better?), will show what my base fitness can achieve, rowing pretty darn well (12+ SPI) at low drag (120 df.).

A FM @ 1:48 predicts a 1:34/6:16 2K.

Then the rest of my race preparation will be predictable by "double the d, add 3."

HM @ 1:45
60min @ 1:44
10K @ 1:42
30min @ 1:41
6K @ 1:40
5K @ 1:39
8 x 500m @ 1:31
4 x 1K @ 1:34
4 x 2K @ 1:38

etc.

All of these distance trials and sharpening routines will predict a 1:34/6:16 2K.

If you prepare to race, a 2K is one of the most predictable things imaginable.

It is just a redundant reflex of your preparation.

Nothing could be more certain.

ranger

[mikvan52]

The sub-text is: ranger no plans to never race his single at any major regatta...
He can scull "well" on all the frog-ponds in Michigan with impunity...

If you can do something alone on a frog-pond, you can do it in a public race at a world-class venue.

I see:
In addition to its being "feeding time" for trolls it's also happy hour..

You say "can do"... which, in ranger speak, means> I think I can eventually do.....

Rich has forgotten that he has not done anything (as in: not a single verified timed distance OTW)

Rich... do something .. Do not tell us you are able to do...

[Byron Drachman]

Here, Byron

yet another classic ranger troll-zinger:

How many races you have done has nothing to do with how fast you can move a boat

Something to file away as a really-really bad observation...

The sub-text is: ranger no plans to never race his single at any major regatta...
He can scull "well" on all the frog-ponds in Michigan with impunity...

Hi Mike,

I noticed that gem too.

Funny you should mention the Effective Sculling DVD. It is such a good one. I watched it again the other day. The high rate pieces demonstrated by Luini and Tufte are fun to watch. I especially like the way Luini and Romero support their backs in the video. You know how our hero is delighted with his 1/2 second drive, 1 and 1/2 second recovery (Like I believe that, heh, heh.) The narrator warns you not to make the leg drive too fast. We've had this discussion before, but repetition is the name of the game at this thread. It is doubtful our hero will ever grasp the significance of this comment from the Effective Sculling DVD:

legs that move very fast just after the catch usually means that the timing of the leg push has been too early.

[mikvan52]

Rich: I have a friendly request...
You've picked up a diseased opinion about holding you elbows in at the release of the stroke...

My request: Find us video footage of any champion sculler who exhibits this....


Big " " on your part.

n'existe pas!

[ranger]

You know how our hero is delighted with his 1/2 second drive, 1 and 1/2 second recovery

Sure, my drive time OTErg is .5 seconds.

I haven't made any reference to my drive time OTW.

The dynamics of the erg are cued to a 4/quad, not a 1x.

The difference is 15 seconds per 500m at the same rate.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Funny you should mention the Effective Sculling DVD. It is such a good one. I watched it again the other day. The high rate pieces demonstrated by Luini and Tufte are fun to watch. I especially like the way Luini and Romero support their backs in the video. You know how our hero is delighted with his 1/2 second drive, 1 and 1/2 second recovery (Like I believe that, heh, heh.) The narrator warns you not to make the leg drive too fast. We've had this discussion before, but repetition is the name of the game at this thread. It is doubtful our hero will ever grasp the significance of this comment from the Effective Sculling DVD:

legs that move very fast just after the catch usually means that the timing of the leg push has been too early.

I gave a lesson the other day that focused, almost entirely, on the quote you mention...

[ranger]

You've picked up a diseased opinion about holding you elbows in at the release of the stroke

Sure, somewhat more than I have been, as I explained.

More important, though, is how the elbows are tucked back in toward the body on the tap down and recovery.

I think that was primarily what I was missing.

If I keep my elbows in a little more at finish, I am in a better position for the tap-down and recovery, which does indeed require that those elbows be tucked in, if you are to get it right.

I wasn't getting it right.

I now am.

ranger

[mikvan52]

The dynamics of the erg are cued to a 4/quad, not a 1x.

I'm wondering what an intelligible synonym of "cued" might be...

(more confirmation that it's happy hour in Door County)

Rich: SOP => read what you write before you hit "enter"... Otherwise, your assertions risk being seen as nonsensical.

[ranger]

I'm wondering what an intelligible synonym of "cued" might be...

Calibrated, quantified, etc.

Large boats are faster.

The faster the boat, the shorter the drive time.

The shorter the drive time, the higher the ratio.

On the erg, I am in a 4-to-1 ratio at 25 spm.

I don't think I am in a ratio anything like 4-to-1 when I am rating 25 spm OTW.

ranger

[mikvan52]

You've picked up a diseased opinion about holding you elbows in at the release of the stroke

Sure, somewhat more than I have been, as I explained.

More important, though, is how the elbows are tucked back in toward the body on the tap down and recovery.

I think that was primarily what I was missing.

If I keep my elbows in a little more at finish, I am in a better position for the tap-down and recovery, which does indeed require that those elbows be tucked in, if you are to get it right.

I wasn't getting it right.

I now am.

ranger

Honestly, I do not understand what you are trying to say.

Elbows in ... as "in" towards your ribcage ?... That's dead wrong RIch... I cannot fathom what you mean by "somewhat more"

Surely you can find a video of this feature (!)
Please do share...

[ranger]

Elbows in ... as "in" towards your ribcage ?... That's dead wrong RIch... I cannot fathom what you mean by "somewhat more"

Surely you can find a video of this feature (!)

Indeed.

You posted the video.

All of the excellent rowing by the women in the Athens Olympics.

At the tap down and through the recovery, the elbows come in toward the body, quickly, and that position is maintained, after being flared somewhat more at the finish.

That's what lifts your oars off the water cleanly and keeps them there.

ranger