Brunsie wrote:If you want to work hard and achieve something significant then I don't think anyone would belittle you for saying it, especially if asked.
Really? Happy to hear that. I didn't think you were saying that at all. In fact, I thought that you said explicitly that being humble is regarding what you do as insignificant, even if it is indeed significant. This just seems sad to me. What is to motivate action, if we regard everything we do as insignificant?
Brunsle wrote:If you constantly ran around spouting off about it over an over it would still come across as a bit arrogant and narcissistic but at least you would have "earned" the right to say it. Never have I suggested you should lie about your accomplishments.
I have three WR rows. I have six sub-6:30 rows as a _very_ light veteran, half of these sub-6:30 rows as a lightweight. I have had the best 2K for my age and weight five out of the last nine years, even though I wasn't even preparing to race most of those years, with sub-6:30 rows as a heavyweight two of the other years. No one my age and weight has ever rowed that fast. I have won all of the major championships, BIRC twice. Etc. No male veteran indoor rower over the last 10 years has a much better record of accomplishment in the sport. Sorry. But it's not like I haven't done anything in the sport and don't know what I am talking about.
Brunsle wrote:You however claim to achieved something that would have a little bit of significance if you had actually done it however you have failed miserably at achieving it.
Not at all. I haven't failed at anything associated with my rowing. So far, I have achieved all of my goals--in spades. With respect to my recent achievements, I am just preparing to race to show the results. My goal in training over the last eight years was to learn to row well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.). Back in 2003, I pulled a lwt 6:28 rowing badly (10 SPI) at max drag (200+ df.). I was a total novice. I didn't know how to row. In rowing, rowing well vs. rowing badly can be worth as much as 10 seconds per 500m. My fitness has been maximal for a decade, so the only way I could improve was to improve my technique. Sure, it took some time. But I have now done this, both OTErg and OTW. I am now preparing to race to see how this technical improvement might bear on my 2K. I will prepare to race by doing trials from the top down, from a FM to 500m. When I am done with these trials, I will do standard sharping workouts (8 x 500m, etc.) for a couple of months to bring up my anaerobic capacities. Then I will race. I won't know how my technical improvement bears on my 2K racings until I am fully prepared to race in this way.
Brunsle wrote: Why don't you save your claims for when you actually achieve it.
My claims about rowing well at low drag? Why? I have indeed achieved it. No veteran rower has ever rowed well, much less a 60s veteran. 60s veterans have missed it by seven seconds per 500m, 4 SPI, 50 kgF of peak force, a mile over 60min, 16 _minutes_ over a FM, etc.
Brunsle wrote: At this point I believe there is a higher likely hood that someone completely unknown to the erg'ing world will show up and "absolutely (gobsmackingly) blow the hell out of all current standards in senior and veteran erging from 40-70 years old" than there is any chance you will do it.
Why is that? Ironically, this person, whoever it might be, would have to put themselves through exactly the training I have put myself through for the last eight years if they wanted to be in a position to pull 6:16 at 60. Their fitness would have to be maximal, and they would have to row well at low drag. As a lightweight, that would mean they would have to pull something like 13 SPI, just naturally. No 60s lwt has ever pulled much more than 10 SPI. I have suggested some reasons for this (the emphasis of standard training plans for rowing on fitness, etc.), but in any event, whoever might train themselves to pull a lwt 6:16 at 60 would have to overcome a pretty enormous burden of tradition in the sport. Do you really think this could happen out of the blue? I doubt it. You can't pull great erg lightweight erg scores just by being big, as you can as a heavyweight. The weight limitation on lightweight rowing makes it so size is no factor. If you are going to go faster, by a wide margin, that anyone has ever gone before, you have to do it on skill and fitness. Delivering at some gobsmacking level on even one of these (skill vs. fitness) is difficult when you are 60. Delivering on both of them, I think, just can't happen out of the blue.No way.
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Rich Cureton M 72 5'11" 165 lbs. 2K pbs: 6:27.5 (hwt), 6:28 (lwt)
