Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

Drop the SPI BS... you don't know your wattage

The scaling to wattage on the erg is abstract, sure, but the result is indeed a good measure of relative work done per stroke because of the principled relation of OTW times (at the same rate) to erg times.

and there you go again "I pull 1:50 at 31-32"... = total crap

No, not crap at all. I am just looking at my speed coach.

I "pull" that for 1k and show it. You (merely) say that you do for no specified distance.

Indeed. When I am fully trained up for it, I won't rate 31 for 1K. I'll rate 38 spm. If I do, I'll do 1:42.5.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Rich: Show us a race stat indicating your improvement of 25% over the last 3 years.

Is it cocktail hour this early in the day?

[ranger]

Rich: Show us a race stat indicating your improvement of 25% over the last 3 years.

No need for a race stat.

My fitness is much _better_ than yours.

Your fitness is crap.

You can't rate up.

To show my improvement OTW, at this point, I just need to give you a look at me moving my boat at 8.33 SPI, 1:52 @ 30 spm.

Sure, I can get you a video of it.

Then you can see for yourself.

This new video will be a direct comparison to the video you are citing from over three years ago, but this time, eight seconds per 500m better at the same rate.

And when it comes to moving a boat, that 8.33 SPI, well, uh, um, is as good as you.

So.

If we now move a boat with equal speed and ease, the only other relevant thing left to compare between you and me, in terms of how good we are OTW, is our fitness.

How is that going?

As you have underlined, it can't be mentioned too often that being fast in rowing is a product of technique and fitness.

Just one, or just the other, won't cut the mustard.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Drop the SPI BS... you don't know your wattage

The scaling to wattage on the erg is abstract, sure, but the result is indeed a good measure of relative work done per stroke because of the principled relation of OTW times (at the same rate) to erg times. ARE YOU WRITING IN ENGLISH HERE? WTF!

and there you go again "I pull 1:50 at 31-32"... = total crap

No, not crap at all. I am just looking at my speed coach. CLASSIC TROLL GARBAGE

I "pull" that for 1k and show it. You (merely) say that you do for no specified distance.

Indeed. When I am fully trained up for it, I won't rate 31 for 1K. I'll rate 38 spm. If I do, I'll do 1:42.5.

ranger

... and, NO, you will not be posting any video of what you claim...
All you need are some photos such as the file I showed earlier today...

Just think of it Rich: You claim superb fitness but then ask us to wait for you to be fully trained... You claim "my work is done." and that you are "preparing to race"...

Brown stuff is oozing out your ears...

[ranger]

Show me one experienced sculler who speeds up dramatically after age 60!

I didn't say that you should be improving.

Clearly, I said the opposite.

You _can't_ improve.

Because you are an experienced sculler, but also aging, in all probability, you can only get worse and worse as your fitness declines.

But show me a beginning sculler who can't get better and better--for a number of years--no matter what their age.

I am getting better, hand over fist, because I am still a beginner.

I am not experienced at all.

I am still learning to row.

ranger

[ranger]

you will not be posting any video

Sure.

I'll be happy to post a video pulling 1:52 @ 30 spm, just like the video I posted pulling 2:00 @ 30 spm three years ago.

I'll just do a run by the dock at Europe Lake, and my wife Cathy can shoot the video.

BTW, the old speed coach I used in 2008 was set at the same calibration as my new NK XL2.

At 15 seconds over erg times, 1:52 @ 30 spm OTW is the equivalent OTErg of 1:37 @ 30 spm (13 SPI).

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

The scaling to wattage on the erg is abstract, sure, but the result is indeed a good measure of relative work done per stroke because of the principled relation of OTW times (at the same rate) to erg times.

This is good to know. First of all, Ranger mentions abstract scalings. Those darned abstract scalings are always confusing, and it is helpful when Ranger explains it so adriotly. Then we need to understand principled relations. I think it is very important that relations have principles. Relations without principles are never as trustworthy as relations with principles.

Any questions?

[ranger]

I am not "performing" when I do 2 x 7k OTW

Sure you are, if you are not getting better technically by doing it.

You are working on fitness.

Your technique is fine.

All work on fitness is just performance, really.

It doesn't have anything to do with rowing.

There are lots of ways to maintain your fitness, or improve it.

Using your training to get better at rowing is something else entirely.

ranger

[snowleopard]

Any questions?

Yes. Please refer to my earlier [unanswered] post

I wonder if Tricky Dicky has devised an abstract, relativistic, principled relation between laminar, transitional and turbulent flow and SPI

[Byron Drachman]

Any questions?

Yes. Please refer to my earlier [unanswered] post
I wonder if Tricky Dicky has devised an abstract, relativistic, principled relation between laminar, transitional and turbulent flow and SPI

If the question is How do you measure SPI on the water? then I believe the key to answering the question lies in the teachings of Professor Irwin Corey. We break the question into two parts: First we ask How? Then we ask Do you measure SPI on the water?

The answer to the second question is no. Since that answer is no, the first question is irrelevant.

[mikvan52]

I am getting better, hand over fist, because I am still a beginner.

I am not experienced at all.

I am still learning to row.

you forgot the part about
"& my work is done"

&
"I am now ready to race"

&
" it seems I am better than Bob Spousta and (others)" ... all past winners of the HOCR in your age group

&
"I use one stroke for OTW and OTErg interchangably"


ranger: a synonym for "fake"

What does your NK SL2 say when you practice 1k at (say) 22 spm?
It's recorded in memory.
Why hide the truth about your "sequences"?

[mikvan52]

The scaling to wattage on the erg is abstract, sure, but the result is indeed a good measure of relative work done per stroke because of the principled relation of OTW times (at the same rate) to erg times.

This is good to know. First of all, Ranger mentions abstract scalings. Those darned abstract scalings are always confusing, and it is helpful when Ranger explains it so adriotly. Then we need to understand principled relations. I think it is very important that relations have principles. Relations without principles are never as trustworthy as relations with principles.

Any questions?

ranger lexicon entry:

"abstract" = made up, supposed

So a (supposition) "is a good measure of (jargon) work done"....
?
?
?
..............NO!

[ranger]

What does your NK SL2 say when you practice 1k at (say) 22 spm?

8.5 SPI @ 22spm is 2:03.

Sure.

I can now do 1Ks at that, if I want to "perform" them, rather than continuing to learn how to row.

Sure.

I would be happy to record some performances, although it is a waste of time to do so.

I spend 15K each morning, pulling 1:45 @ 23 spm OTErg, to work on my fitness _before_ I row OTW.

No need to work on my fitness while I am rowing OTW, too.

OTW, my time is best spent improving my OTW rowing, not demonstrating how well I row at the moment.

Following this strategy, I have gotten 25% better over the last three years.

Nice!

Your recommendation that I perform rather than continuing to learn isn't worth a hill of beans.

What you recommend is suitable for you.

But not for me.

I used the same learning, rather than performative, strategy OTErg, and, starting from three WR 2K rows back in 2003, I am now ready to beat expectations by 10 seconds per 500m in a FM due to adopting this approach to training.

What you suggest that I do has nothing to recommend it at all, unless I want to just get worse and worse, precipitously, like you (and all other veteran rowers who follow this bad advice).

ranger

[ranger]

BTW, at 15 seconds per 500m over erg times, the 2:00 @ 30 spm that I was pulling OTW in the 2008 video is the equivalent of 1:45 @ 30 spm OTErg.

10 SPI

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

At 15 seconds per 500m over erg times, 2:03 @ 22 spm (8.5 SPI) OTW is the equivalent of 1:48 @ 22 spm (12.5 SPI) OTErg.

You can do 1Ks, 1:48 @ 22 spm OTErg, can't you?

But given that you can, do you?

If not, why not?

ranger