Help me go sub-7:00 for the 2k

[hjs]

I'm not sure what you mean by rating, I assume you mean strokes per minute. Well, the article says not to use a race start. I tried to push as hard as I could while maintaining full slide.

I don't have any other numbers for you. I'm a washed up ex-distance runner, so I have trouble lifting the groceries, never mind myself, LOL. I don't have a lot of arm strength, but arm strength does not matter that much in rowing, or so I have heard.

Spm = rating yes.

I know enough, you zero base strenght. Arm strenght certainly plays a role.

You really need a different approach, old ladies can beat you up. Slow long distance running has killed you.

Other point, how strong where you at school, relative to other boys? I bet you never where strong, thats your weak link. Rowing like you do now at slow pace won,t help you much. You need to change big time to get anywhere close to 7 min.

I row with older ladies, older ladies don't go under 8:00 for 2k, let's honest here.

You have to realize that this Concept 2 website contains a self-selected population of people. Everyday people who start rowing don't hit amazing scores right away, from what I have seen.

I am weak, though, I readily admit it. There is some truth to the notion that long, slow distance running has killed me.

What different approach do you have in mind?

Larry, some they do. No kidding.
And sub 7 is normal for lightweight otw top girls, sub 57 kg.

Currently, given the fact you don,t like weights. Doing a few times per week short interval work, with short rest, but enough volume, rate restricted should help. You need to build a stronger foundation. This will take time, be patient. But imo you can,t get around getting stronger, before you can get faster.

[LarryRow]

Just a few weeks ago, I managed to go sub-8:00 for the 2k...

Was this max effort? Like lying on the floor in pain? I know for sure I'll never be able to cut 1 min off my first 2k time. Now, after 14 months and approx. 2 million meters, I have only managed to shave about 10 seconds. But that is probably because my first 2k was close to max effort.

Good luck, Larry. Don't give up!

Thanks, so you brought up an interesting question, and one I have thought about and read some about when I was running. What is max effort and how do you know?

No, I wasn't on the floor in pain, and I didn't throw up, so I guess I had more to give but how much more is the question.

I had been rowing a lot of pieces close to 2:00 so when we went around the class to give our numbers for the 2k test, I went conservative and said 2:07. I went out below 2:00, at 1:54, and decided to take a chance that I could hold on. The middle sections are all around 2:00 but I closed the last 200m in 1:51. You can always push hard when you see the finish line.

I believe you find your max effort through training. One book I read said that your brain basically does forward planning at the start of a race. After all, how does the brain know how to pace a race it hasn't run yet? Well, the brain uses the results of previous training to figure out how fast to fire your muscles over what period of time to complete the current race.

[LarryRow]

Larry, some they do. No kidding.
And sub 7 is normal for lightweight otw top girls, sub 57 kg.

Currently, given the fact you don,t like weights. Doing a few times per week short interval work, with short rest, but enough volume, rate restricted should help. You need to build a stronger foundation. This will take time, be patient. But imo you can,t get around getting stronger, before you can get faster.

Do you have any links to statistics that show that is is normal for lightweight otw girls to pull sub 7? Are you talking about college times or professional times? I'm just curious.

The Columbia rower who rows with us said that every single member of the Harvard? varsity 8 could pull sub-6. Ouch.

I agree that I have to get stronger. I think generating max power of 550 watts is an admirable goal, I'll see how long it takes to get there.

[ArmandoChavezUNC]

Do you have any links to statistics that show that is is normal for lightweight otw girls to pull sub 7? Are you talking about college times or professional times? I'm just curious.

The Columbia rower who rows with us said that every single member of the Harvard? varsity 8 could pull sub-6. Ouch.

I agree that I have to get stronger. I think generating max power of 550 watts is an admirable goal, I'll see how long it takes to get there.

No, not every member of the Harvard squad goes sub-6. That's a whole bunch of bull$hit. Their top 8 might average sub 6, but the entire squad most certainly does not, and by a long shot at that.

I'd be careful saying top LW girls regularly go sub 7:00 on a 2k. In the last 5 years of Crash-B's, only one LW woman has gone sub 7:00, and it was by less than a second.

[G-dub]

Maybe Larry you should focus on getting to 7:45 first. What do you need to do to make that time happen? When will you test yourself?

[LarryRow]

Do you have any links to statistics that show that is is normal for lightweight otw girls to pull sub 7? Are you talking about college times or professional times? I'm just curious.

The Columbia rower who rows with us said that every single member of the Harvard? varsity 8 could pull sub-6. Ouch.

I agree that I have to get stronger. I think generating max power of 550 watts is an admirable goal, I'll see how long it takes to get there.

No, not every member of the Harvard squad goes sub-6. That's a whole bunch of bull$hit. Their top 8 might average sub 6, but the entire squad most certainly does not, and by a long shot at that.

I'd be careful saying top LW girls regularly go sub 7:00 on a 2k. In the last 5 years of Crash-B's, only one LW woman has gone sub 7:00, and it was by less than a second.

Your last comment was kind of what I was getting at, I thought that statement about LW girls regularly going sub-7 was not accurate.

As for Harvard, or was it Princeton, I was told that everyone in the boat went sub-6, not the whole squad. I never said the whole squad. This came up in conversation with a Columbia rower who went 6:22. I said, amazing, and he said it was not enough to win the IRAs because every member in one of the 8s had gone sub-6. I guess somebody could check.

[LarryRow]

Maybe Larry you should focus on getting to 7:45 first. What do you need to do to make that time happen? When will you test yourself?

Certainly. I need 50-60,000m weeks with quality workouts. I might test again in a couple of weeks.

[G-dub]

Maybe Larry you should focus on getting to 7:45 first. What do you need to do to make that time happen? When will you test yourself?

Certainly. I need 50-60,000m weeks with quality workouts. I might test again in a couple of weeks.

Not to be too Tony Robbins...
Put a date out there and row to it. As some of us have mentioned, this is something that builds over time in terms of what you can do and what you are willing to do to get where you want to go. You are talking about power and speed that you don't have yet which can get overwhelming and actually sort of confusing. Take the first bite. Post up your workouts. Put yourself on the line again. Report the results. In other words, make yourself accountable. It may come easy for you or it may not. But the question left unanswered is will you have the desire and perseverance to work yourself all the way to your goal.

[ArmandoChavezUNC]

As for Harvard, or was it Princeton, I was told that everyone in the boat went sub-7, not the whole squad. I never said the whole squad. This came up in conversation with a Columbia rower who went 6:22. I said, amazing, and he said it was not enough to win the IRAs because every member in one of the 8s had gone sub-6. I guess somebody could check.

Sorry, I mis-read your statement. Yes, the whole V8 of Harvard could have been sub-6, that's plausible. I know that the Princeton and Cal V8s were, so I'm sure Harvard wasn't too far behind but they definitely lacked some juice compared to Cal and Pton.

[LarryRow]

As for Harvard, or was it Princeton, I was told that everyone in the boat went sub-7, not the whole squad. I never said the whole squad. This came up in conversation with a Columbia rower who went 6:22. I said, amazing, and he said it was not enough to win the IRAs because every member in one of the 8s had gone sub-6. I guess somebody could check.

Sorry, I mis-read your statement. Yes, the whole V8 of Harvard could have been sub-6, that's plausible. I know that the Princeton and Cal V8s were, so I'm sure Harvard wasn't too far behind but they definitely lacked some juice compared to Cal and Pton.

No worries. It's an amazing standard. I see I made a mistake and said sub-7 in this first part of my comment but, of course, I meant sub-6.

[hjs]

Do you have any links to statistics that show that is is normal for lightweight otw girls to pull sub 7? Are you talking about college times or professional times? I'm just curious.

The Columbia rower who rows with us said that every single member of the Harvard? varsity 8 could pull sub-6. Ouch.

I agree that I have to get stronger. I think generating max power of 550 watts is an admirable goal, I'll see how long it takes to get there.

No, not every member of the Harvard squad goes sub-6. That's a whole bunch of bull$hit. Their top 8 might average sub 6, but the entire squad most certainly does not, and by a long shot at that.

I'd be careful saying top LW girls regularly go sub 7:00 on a 2k. In the last 5 years of Crash-B's, only one LW woman has gone sub 7:00, and it was by less than a second.

Crash b is not the place for real top rowers, the best don,t Attend,

Sub7 is not special for lightweight woman. Heavies go sub 6.30, although again most otw rowers don,t do erg races or put up their times.

To give some idea, at out national Championships when I pull a 6.2x, that is around 75/100 td place overal, with the top otw squats not attending. And thats only Holland. Almost non of those times get ranked.

[LarryRow]

Do you have any links to statistics that show that is is normal for lightweight otw girls to pull sub 7? Are you talking about college times or professional times? I'm just curious.

The Columbia rower who rows with us said that every single member of the Harvard? varsity 8 could pull sub-6. Ouch.

I agree that I have to get stronger. I think generating max power of 550 watts is an admirable goal, I'll see how long it takes to get there.

No, not every member of the Harvard squad goes sub-6. That's a whole bunch of bull$hit. Their top 8 might average sub 6, but the entire squad most certainly does not, and by a long shot at that.

I'd be careful saying top LW girls regularly go sub 7:00 on a 2k. In the last 5 years of Crash-B's, only one LW woman has gone sub 7:00, and it was by less than a second.

Crash b is not the place for real top rowers, the best don,t Attend,

Sub7 is not special for lightweight woman. Heavies go sub 6.30, although again most otw rowers don,t do erg races or put up their times.

To give some idea, at out national Championships when I pull a 6.2x, that is around 75/100 td place overal, with the top otw squats not attending. And thats only Holland. Almost non of those times get ranked.

I guess the Americans are getting crushed.

I knew I should have married a Dutch girl so I would have a training partner.

In class, we watch videos of the Dutch 8 to get inspired, or demoralized, as the case may be.

What is your secret? Rowing from birth? What do you feed your children?

[ArmandoChavezUNC]

Sub7 is not special for lightweight woman. Heavies go sub 6.30, although again most otw rowers don,t do erg races or put up their times.

To give some idea, at out national Championships when I pull a 6.2x, that is around 75/100 td place overal, with the top otw squats not attending. And thats only Holland. Almost non of those times get ranked.

The number of women in the world who can go sub 6:30 can be counted with the fingers in your right hand. The majority of women racing at the Olympics are in the 6:30-6:45 range.

[hjs]

Crash b is not the place for real top rowers, the best don,t Attend,

Sub7 is not special for lightweight woman. Heavies go sub 6.30, although again most otw rowers don,t do erg races or put up their times.

To give some idea, at out national Championships when I pull a 6.2x, that is around 75/100 td place overal, with the top otw squats not attending. And thats only Holland. Almost non of those times get ranked.

I guess the Americans are getting crushed.

I knew I should have married a Dutch girl so I would have a training partner.

In class, we watch videos of the Dutch 8 to get inspired, or demoralized, as the case may be.

What is your secret? Rowing from birth?

Certainly don,t think So. Don,t know how big rowing is in the us, but with 20 times more people..

Crash b is mostly an ergers race. Pure ergers don,t reach the levels (in general) of the top otw guys. Mostly due to less training time I think.

Secret me? Non, nothing special about me. The reason I am still reasable fit is kept being active/training. Have had serious setbacks due to injuries/operations, but always tried to come back. My personal experience is that fitness can be kept at om ok level longer then people often think.
But not out itself, you have to keep working. Roughly speaking every year I trained in some form 11 out of 12 months most years. Most people can,t or won,t do that.

[hjs]

Sub7 is not special for lightweight woman. Heavies go sub 6.30, although again most otw rowers don,t do erg races or put up their times.

To give some idea, at out national Championships when I pull a 6.2x, that is around 75/100 td place overal, with the top otw squats not attending. And thats only Holland. Almost non of those times get ranked.

The number of women in the world who can go sub 6:30 can be counted with the fingers in your right hand. The majority of women racing at the Olympics are in the 6:30-6:45 range.

Yes, not that many, proberly a bit like men pulling a low 5.40, but some can. Only the real Powerhouses.