Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

No I do not have this kind of power as I am getting weaker with age

Sure, if you take the whole winter off with injury and/or pull 9 SPI OTErg when you are doing your winter training, you will lose your strength as you age.

You are not doing what you need to do to maintain it.

When you erg, row at 13 SPI, rather than 9 SPI.

You'll see what I mean.

Skeletal-muscularly, you are loafing.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Go out and attempt to scull 1:50 pace for 1k and report back.

O.K.

I don't think I would have any problem doing 1:50 for 1K.

You are right that I am not doing sprinting at the moment, but not because I can't.

I am making more progress with technique by rowing at lower rates.

ranger

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/bl ... as-you-age

(more on loss of muscle mass)

and as for "ranger 1:50.xx pace in the 1x"...

Set your new toy (the Neilsen-Kellerman SpeedCoach XL2) to record on single strokes. Start from dead-still in the water...
Attempt to average 1:50.xx for as long as you can... AS the first few strokes will slow your avg, go for 20 or even 40 strokes... report back about your "thinking" .... you cannot get the average down to 1:50 ever and you know it...

Your erging remains strong... I think it's phenomenal... Your sculling... (well)... You show us some stats... and then we'll dis-you all the way back to your little frog pond in Ann Arbor.

When do you quit the bluff o'er da Lake, anyway?... and head for home and the comforts of the cave??
in the fall.... coming right up!! BIRC / mantis tyme = just around the corner...

[ranger]

Power on the water is absolutely pointless if you can't apply it.

Sure.

But that's only half the story, no?

When it comes to winning, OTW, not stopping the boat with your technique is absolutely pointless if you lack the power you need to get it going.

ranger

[ranger]

Your sculling... (well)

Sorry, Mike, but you don't know anything about my sculling.

You're just talking through your hat.

I can now pull 8 SPI, just as you do.

And for physiological reasons, you can't rate up.

So...

If I can rate 32-34 spm, I'll pull 1:50 for 1K OTW, and I don't see any reason why I can't rate 32-34 spm for 1K OTW, if I practice it a bit.

I don't think that doing such things will improve my rowing.

That's the only reason why I am not doing them.

ranger

[mikvan52]

No I do not have this kind of power as I am getting weaker with age

Sure, if you take the whole winter off with injury and/or pull 9 SPI OTErg when you are doing your winter training, you will lose your strength as you age.

You are not doing what you need to do to maintain it.

When you erg, row at 13 SPI, rather than 9 SPI.

You'll see what I mean.

Skeletal-muscularly, you are loafing.

ranger

Do you still expect this weak ribbing to still get a rise out of me?
Post any IND_V at any distance. I will beat it... I don't care about your weight....

[mikvan52]

So: No rise to my IND_V challenge???
(Instead) go back to my question I'VE ASKED YOU MANY TIMES...
Explain high rate vs low rate in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cym4_teegyM

estimate SPI for us and explain why the "lower spi" wins on the water...


You say I know nothing about OTW... so be it. I agree. I've rowed so long now (40+ years) that it isn't about "knowledge"
I've hard-wired my neural pathways.... I AM... I DON'T BOTHER TO "KNOW"...

Get it yet...???

BS walks.

And if you were ever to step into the competitive sculling world... dozens would walk on you....

When's your first fall head race this 2011 season, RIch?

[ranger]

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/bl ... as-you-age

(more on loss of muscle mass)

"Indeed, some data suggests that men who lift weights a few times a week in their 50s and 60s can maintain their muscle mass, not simply slow the rate of decline, in those years, she says.

So you agree.

If you do something aggressive to maintain it, there is no loss of muscle mass with age.

Rowing well 25K a day is quite a bit more strenuous, skeletal-muscularly, than "lifting weight a few times a week."

In fact, there's no comparison.

Talented older rowers of the same size can have _exactly_ the same stroke as the best, most elite, younger rowers.

Skeletal-muscularly, and in terms of technique, there need to no difference between them--whatsoever.

ranger

[mikvan52]

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/bl ... as-you-age

(more on loss of muscle mass)

"Indeed, some data suggests that men who lift weights a few times a week in their 50s and 60s can maintain their muscle mass, not simply slow the rate of decline, in those years, she says.

So you agree.

you didn't read the piece, troll...

"While the precise causes of sarcopenia aren't fully understood, lack of exercise, poor nutrition, hormonal changes, and bodywide inflammation are all potential culprits. Some of those causes can be addressed, but there may simply be some inherent consequences of aging that can't be fully remedied—that is, our frustrated aging runner is going to see his 10k time get slower, to some degree, no matter what he does."

Only people who are trying to sell something will suggest that people can maintain all their muscle mass from youth...
Then there's the lungs... alveolar elasticity decreases there too...

What's your 500m time these days OTErg RIch?

[ranger]

This morning so far, 15K OTErg, just before dawn.

Sun is coming up.

Time to get out OTW.



ranger

[mikvan52]

Funny how one person's sunrise can be seen as a sunset....

[ranger]

No 60 year old can erg a 500 as fast as he could when he was 40...

Truth!
What's your current top 500m time?

A hell of a lot better than it was when I was 40 (or 50).

I wasn't rowing when I was 40.

I didn't know how to row when I was 50.

When I get around to it, I suspect I'll now pull 1:24 for 500m OTErg.

That's every bit as good as the best elite young lightweights.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

If you have been loafing in your training and neglecting your physical training more generally, you can't generalize accurately about what might be possible for those who have been (and are being) more responsible.

You are just talking about yourself, which, sure, can be interesting to you, but has no wider application whatsoever.

ranger

[mikvan52]

You are just talking about yourself....

Good point!

So: Tell us something new and definitive about yourself

What's your current 500m time OTErg or OTW?
(chump)

Here's a tidbit for your consideration (more about me... in the absence of any times from you (or me))

http://concept2.co.uk/forum/blog.php?u=7679&b=88086

[mikvan52]

No 60 year old can erg a 500 as fast as he could when he was 40...

Truth!
What's your current top 500m time?

A hell of a lot better than it was when I was 40 (or 50).

So: Still a 1:24 500m? or is it faster...

You can't break 1:30 now and you know it...

[ranger]

There is nothing at all about rowing well OTErg that implies, necessarily, that you row poorly OTW.

In fact, the implication is often just the opposite.

ranger