Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

Insults won't work

Facts aren't insults, unless you have a fantastically overblown conception of your achievement.

Food for thought.

My comments just review the facts.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike---

You old foggie scullers are in for a surprise.



No matter how stylish you are, you can't win a rowing race if you are a broken down old man.

The two most important elements of boat speed are physical capacity and training.

Technique is a distant third.

ranger

[ranger]

I have calibrated my NK correctly for moving water.

Liar.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

If you have calibrated your speed coach correctly, you should do the Head of the Charles, 1:57 @ 27 spm (8 SPI), piece of cake.

That's 18:50.

You win hands down.

But if you are lying, you will do 20:20 for the Head of the Charles instead of 18:50.

So which is it?

I suppose we will find out in October.

Then we will find out whether you are a liar or not.

Good luck with it.

ranger

[mikvan52]

I am not desperate to see others fail as you are.

You have aptitude for fast sculling Rich. Did you know I felt that way?
It's only your approach that is faulty.
1: No coaching
2: A combative attitude
3. Poor training
4. A history of being unable to appreciate the advances others have made from which you might learn.

As for me, My goal is to row the HOCR at 2:00 pace which for the 4800 meter course (9.3 500s x 2.0 pace)= 18.6 minutes = 18:36....
I don't even know if I'll get in this year because of my having lost my seeding due to non-participation last year.

yesterday's REAL workout of 10 x 2:00 at sub 2:00/500m pace is encouraging. Buzz continues to help me immensely.

What's your plan... stay with the erg? hope that great erg scores naturally translate into great OTW times in a single?

If I don't race the Charles, I'll target another high profile head race. That a definite... not a maybe.
WIll you say the same for next year RIch? If you don't make it into the Charles will you definitely race elsewhere?
Why not prove the naysayers wrong and make a commitment to race? Just tell us where so some us can compete with
you...

I wish you your best possible performance at BIRC, since that's your major focus. All of here who watched you for years know what that means ... a 6:4x.x 2k erg. That is great but Roy's record will remain intact in the 6:38.x area.....

[mikvan52]

Mike--

If you have calibrated your speed coach correctly, you should do the Head of the Charles, 1:57 @ 27 spm (8 SPI), piece of cake.

That's 18:50.

You win hands down.

But if you are lying, you will do 20:20 for the Head of the Charles instead of 18:50.

So which is it?

I suppose we will find out in October.

Then we will find out whether you are a liar or not.

Good luck with it.

ranger

So you are really saying if I am able to do 10 x 500 (or 2') at 2:00 I should be able to do the Charles' 4800 meters w/o a break at 2:00 pace too....(?)

The answer is "No", Rich.

I am not there yet.
My form needs work.
My physical capabilities need to be developed properly.

Watch what I do at Sweeps and Sculls next weekend... to see what kind of boat speed I have at 1k.
See how I do at Nationals against the other 55-59 year olds.
Too bad your perfected erg/sculling stroke (one and the same, according to you) won't be out in public at these venues for others to see how you do beyond your "if i rate it up as i think i can" BS.

Piece of advice: The pace for rate formula you've come to expect form your erg expertise is not the same for the water.
IOW: You will never row a fast 1k OTW in a 1x at 37 spm... No fault of yours: You are 59 years old... w/o any racing experience on the water...

[Nosmo]

I am not talking about power.

I am talking about aerobic capacity--rating up.

Wait until your 2K on the erg is 6:10 rating 40 spm rather than 6:54 rating 30 spm.

These two are done with exactly the same power (11 SPI) but very different aerobic capacities.

WRONG WRONG WRONG!
You've been erging for how long and you still have no idea what power is?!
SPI is not power it is energy. There is a difference but you don't seem to care about learning what it is.

What's the calibration factor on your SpeedCoach?

He is not going to answer that question because he doesn't know and doesn't know how to find out. He probably doesn't even know what a calibration factor is.

I do, and have calibrated my speed coach with my Garmin GPS Navigator.

My mistake you proabably do know what a Calibration Factor is.
So what is the excuse for not reporting it?

At the Blackfly, Mike rowed with an SPI of 6.2 (2:04.4 @ 28.5 spm).

But in his workouts, he claims an SPI of 7.7, and reports workouts with an SPI of 8, or even above.

So what's up?

Obviously you still don't know what power is and why SPI OTW is in practice a meaningless figure.
Still can't answer simple questions, what is the Calibration Factor? If you would have had the guts to go row with
mike and do the Black Fly all this would be settled.

[ranger]

Still can't answer simple questions

So, what do you do for 1K OTW?

And at what rate?

ranger

[ranger]

If you would have had the guts to go row with
mike and do the Black Fly all this would be settled.

I am just learning to row OTW.

No need for racing at the moment.

Just a need to keep training and getting better.

Anyway.

Black Fly was 1000 miles from me.

At the time, I didn't have my boat or a car with a rack to carry it.

Black Fly is Mike's back yard.

Different matter entirely.

Is Mike coming to all of the midwest head races this fall?

Nope.

Not a one.

ranger

[mikvan52]

ranger thinks that if he take a few swings at a heavy bag that he's comparable to Ali.

Rich: Let me repeat. You're a fast erger at 2k. Rest on your laurels. Long may they wither!


You just assure us where and when your first OTW race is going to be and one of us will be there!
You should be proud that you've at least garnered that kind of respect.


http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2009/ ... vs-liston/

"Get up and fight, suckah!"

[mikvan52]

Black Fly was 1000 miles from me.

At the time, I didn't have my boat or a car with a rack to carry it.

Black Fly is Mike's back yard.

Different matter entirely.

Is Mike coming to all of the midwest head races this fall?

Nope.

Not a one.

ranger

Let's see... "the midwest"... wasn't that something I flew over when I was on my way to San Diego to win the Crew Classic this past March?

[Nosmo]

Still can't answer simple questions

So, what do you do for 1K OTW?

And at what rate?

ranger

Answered that question on the previous page:
http://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... start=1613

Can you read? Do you not bother? or is it just that your memory is shot?


And you didn't answer the question.

[mikvan52]

Rich:
I think I've discovered a legitimate complaint that you'll have with C2!
I clicked on "Return to Training" on this thread but all I get is the same old stuff from you.... No gems about any real training

Where's all the really good stuff? Hard sharpening... Distance work including actual clock readings with associated distances.... Lab tested VO2 max readings...

It has all disappeared... Perhaps the moderator has an explanation.

I'm certain there is more to this thread than emotion, taunting, and prognostication.
Can you help me with this?

[mikvan52]

Rich:
Here, let me be of assistance to you:

A "1st race opportunity":

Official Name Michigan Club Invitational Regatta
Date Saturday, July 24, 2010
Event Type sprint
Venue Argo Pond
Ann Arbor, MI
Host/LOC Ann Arbor Rowing Club
Email leonard.marcia@gmail.com (Marcia Leonard)
Phone n/a

Sanctioned By
Chief Referee Not yet available
This regatta is an invitational. Contact the regatta to inquire about eligibility and/or authorization.

Low key.....
A chance for Windhover to show how fast she is in 115 strokes!

Remember: You don't have to get your rate up in a headwind to win.
Watch Drysdale winning at sub-30 spm a few days ago at Henley

[ranger]

A "1st race opportunity":

Official Name Michigan Club Invitational Regatta
Date Saturday, July 24, 2010
Event Type sprint
Venue Argo Pond
Ann Arbor, MI

I already answered this, Mike.

I won't be in Ann Arbor on the 24th.

I will be in Door County, WI.

Anyway.

I won't be ready to do sprint races until next spring and summer.

I need to keep doing my distance rowing now, so that I am continue to learn basic skills.

Once I have mastered those basic skills to my satisfaction, I will lift the rate and practice sprinting.

It is counterproductive in the extreme to practice sprinting when you are still mastering basic skills.

When I come down a courage for 1K, I will rate 38 spm, as I do on the erg, not 30 spm.

ranger