Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

you are

a) rowing with 180cm oars;

b) have so much crossover your hands are over the opposite gunnels at midstroke; or

c) have removed 90% of the blade from the shaft; or

d) some combination of the above.

Not sure why.

I'll do a FM OTErg at 24 spm. A FM is done at UT2.

Many people do the Head of the Charles at 30 spm. 5K is done at AT.

Etc.

ranger

[ranger]

Is your math aptitude so low?
9.6 (the number of 500's = length of HOCR course)
2 (ranger goal pace)

9.6 x 2 = 19.2 minutes.. = 19:12

Okay .. what won last year... look it up!

Yes, 2:00 pace won the Veterans race.

But the Grand Masters race was won in 18:54.

That's what, 1:58 pace?

Given historical standards and normal decline with age, we might also assume, I think, that this 1:58 for the Grand Masters was a bit slow, given the Veterans did 2:00 pace.

All things equal, the normal decline with age from the 50s to the 60s is usually about five seconds per 500m.

So, if you really want to be assured of winning, we might assume that a Grand Masters rower this year could go 1:55 and you would have to go 1:54 to beat him.

As you say, the important thing for your race preparation is to get the boat moving fast enough over the distance to win.

You could also prepare your fitness by using the erg.

At 15 seconds ove erg times, rating 30 spm, 1:54 @ 30 spm for 5K OTW is the equivalent on the erg of 5K, 1:39 @ 30 spm.

So, this fall, just get so you can do that OTErg, and your fitness will be in good shape to win, too.

OTErg, a 1:39/16:30 5K is not at all impossible for a 50s rower.

ranger

[ranger]

the number of people that didn,t know this was gonna happen 0.000000000000000000000

I am not sure what you mean by this.

To try to get an entry, I can only enter the lottery like everyone else, as I did.

Nothing else I can do.

Whether I get an entry or not is out of my hands.

ranger

[mikvan52]

After this fall, I won't have any work conflicts in the fall, so it will be much easier for me, in practical terms, to follow a circuit of head racing each fall, including the Head of the Charles.

Am I reading too heavily between the lines?
What I hear as a subtext is that you have no plans to head race this fall...

If I'm wrong, which head races are you planning to do?

How would you know about any "circuit"...? You've not followed one ever.

Also: The (1k masters nationals will most probably be on the West coast next year... Are you pencilling in an August 12 rendezvous with destiny?

[ranger]

I was looking forward to it.

No you weren't. You didn't apply.

Yes, I did.

ranger

[ranger]

What does that make the score now then kids? Naysayers 10-0 Von ManBatt?

Sure, naysayers are always right until proven wrong, especially when the stakes are high.

That's why cynicism is the easiest thing in the world to practice if you want to feel like a winner for a while without doing or thinking anything significant.

Pathetic stuff.

A moment in the sun.

Then when you turn up wrong, you can just crawl back in your hole again.

ranger

[mikvan52]

I was looking forward to it.

No you weren't. You didn't apply.

Yes, I did.

ranger

Maybe when organizers heard that ranger was expecting a rowing well / spi / special medal they trashed his entry

[mikvan52]

... naysayers are always right until proven wrong, especially when the stakes are high.

I always find this "stakes high" ranger attitude hilarious... Since when does rotten old shrimp constitute steak?

Get over it Rich... you're old and no one cares other than a few of here on this back-water thread on an insignificant forum.

We're the equivalent to one fly-speck mark on the ceiling of Madison Square Garden...

[ranger]

Maybe when organizers heard that ranger was expecting a rowing well / spi / special medal they trashed his entry

Not sure about what you are implying here.

All single scullers work endlessly on how to do a lot of work on each stroke--easily.

Distance per stroke, SPI, whatever.

That's the essence of the sport.

At his prime, in a 2K, Xeno pulled 9 SPI at 38 spm.

For training, his Olympic coaches recommended doing zillions of meters at 10 SPI and 19 spm.

He preferred 21 spm.

In your recent workouts, you are pulling under 7 SPI.

ranger

[ranger]

I always find this "stakes high" ranger attitude hilarious... Since when does rotten old shrimp constitute steak?

Sure, it's all relative.

Nonetheless.

In my case, what is being doubted is a lwt 6:16 at 60 OTErg.

That's 26 seconds under the 60s lwt WR, better than any lightweight in the history of the sport over 40 years old and just a tad off the 30s lwt American record.

There is also some reason to doubt Rocket Roy's goal this year of a lwt 6:40 @ 10.2 SPI, given his past performances, struggles with weight, recent time away from the sport, and normal decline with age.

But the stakes there are quite a bit smaller.

No?

Sure, a 6:40 is a nice 2K for a 60s lwt, but no big deal, really, given that the 50s lwt WR is 6:25.

At the normal decline with age of a second over 2K after 20, the expectation, really, is that the 60s lwt WR should be 6:38, given that the Open lwt 2K WR is 5:58.

ranger

[Rocket Roy]

Sure, a 6:40 is a nice 2K for a 60s lwt, but no big deal, really, given that the 50s lwt WR is 6:25.



ranger

Don't denigrate the 60's lwt WR, until you can beat it. NOT in your head but actually, and that will be never.

You had 5 years to beat my "SOFT" WR of 6.38.1 but never even got close.''

Wise up and sell your erg and boat and get into a rest home for the mentally confused!

[ranger]

Don't denigrate the 60's lwt WR, until you can beat it.

The argument I have just given has nothing to do with me.

The argument is impersonal, based on the other WRs, normal decline with age, etc.

Personalizing the argument is your doing--useless nonsense.

Sure, if I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, _that_ argument would indeed be personal, solely a product of my attitudes and efforts.

It would have nothing at all to do with the other WRs, normal decline with age, etc.

It would be gobsmackingly unprecedented.

But as you recommend, no reason to invoke that argument until it happens.

If I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, it will be a strong argument for quite a few other things--a new standard for decline with age, a new approach to training for veterans, etc.

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

After this fall, I won't have any work conflicts in the fall, so it will be much easier for me, in practical terms, to follow a circuit of head racing each fall, including the Head of the Charles.

Am I reading too heavily between the lines?
What I hear as a subtext is that you have no plans to head race this fall...

If I'm wrong, which head races are you planning to do?

How would you know about any "circuit"...? You've not followed one ever.

Also: The (1k masters nationals will most probably be on the West coast next year... Are you pencilling in an August 12 rendezvous with destiny?

Hi Mike,
That was my first take too--no head racing this fall. I don't have an official Ranger-speak translator so I can't ever be sure. I believe Leadville has a fully functional Ranger-speak translator so he could get an official translation for us. And Dougie has an ingenious method: Ranger-speak to Vulcan, then to English. It works like a charm. The no head racing would be consistent with previous years:

July 16, 2008: My future is indeed with OTW rowing. It's a blast. I'll especially enjoy traveling around to different OTW racing venues, as I enjoyed traveling around to the different racing venues as a marathon runner and road racer.

March 31, 2009: I will racing my 1x OTW for the first time., both sprint events and head events, hey, for how long?, perhaps for the next 20 years!

June 25, 2010: I'll do a round of head races this fall, as I planned to do last fall, but didn't.

But to be fair to our intrepid hero, he did finally attempt one head race last fall. That's not exactly a round, but at least he got his feet wet, so to speak. (You're welcome for the straight line.)

[NavigationHazard]

Muppet. You've been told a hundred times that there is no "normal" age-related decline in 2k times of a second a year "after [the age of] 20." The absolute WR was and is Rob Waddell's 6:36.6. It was set in 2008, when he was 32. Thirty Two. THIRTY FREAKIN' TWO.

[ranger]

Roy--

I don't think anyone would doubt that I can pull 6:40, fully prepared, rowing well at low drag.

For that bit of nay-saying, there are no stakes at all.

ranger