Ranger's training thread

[mikvan52]

For a host of reasons, no one follows what ranger does and never will.

No, just the opposite.

When I am done with things, _everyone_ will do what I have done.

Only you old "clubby" scullers will still do the same old, same old.

But it will no longer be good enough to win.

ranger

You're changing the subject to:

"I, ranger, am unappreciated for the genius that I will eventually prove to be"

"When I am done" = never
"Fully trained" = never
"Hard Sharpening" = never

[mikvan52]

What's the calibration factor on your SpeedCoach ?

[ranger]

When's your first reported 1k OTW piece going to show up here?

In late July and early August, when I am in Door County, WI, and rowing on Europe Lake.

I tried to rate up some today OTW, and sure, when I rate 37 spm, I do 1:51.

I think I can hold 37 spm for 1K OTW.

I certainly can on the erg.

And the two feel about the same to me in terms of effort at a certain rate.

If I can rate 37 spm, start to finish, I'll do 1:51/3:42 for 1K.

Of course, I will have to do some OTW sprint training (500s, etc.) to prepare for a 1K trial, just to get used to the higher ratings and level of effort.

But I want to do that, too.

So I don't think there will be any problem.

ranger

[ranger]

What's the calibration factor on your SpeedCoach ?

What's the calibration factor on your SpeedCoach?

ranger

[Nosmo]

I am not talking about power.

I am talking about aerobic capacity--rating up.

Wait until your 2K on the erg is 6:10 rating 40 spm rather than 6:54 rating 30 spm.

These two are done with exactly the same power (11 SPI) but very different aerobic capacities.

WRONG WRONG WRONG!
You've been erging for how long and you still have no idea what power is?!
SPI is not power it is energy. There is a difference but you don't seem to care about learning what it is.

What's the calibration factor on your SpeedCoach?

He is not going to answer that question because he doesn't know and doesn't know how to find out. He probably doesn't even know what a calibration factor is.

[ranger]

At the 2009 Masters US Nationals, I see that a 48-year-old did 3:36 for 1K.

That's pretty good.

1:48 pace

I would guess that he had to rate up pretty high to do that.

37 spm?

That's 7.6 SPI

What did you do for 1K at Nationals last year, Mike?

And at what rate?

When you row well, you pull right about the same per stroke (7.6 SPI), so I presume that you were not technically disadvantaged.

If you did, say, 7-8 seconds per 500m slower, it must have been an aerobic disadvantage.

That is, it must have been a difference in your ability to rate up.

1:55.5 pace at 7.6 SPI is 30 spm.

The difference is seven spm.

A loss of 7.5 seconds per 500m, 7 spm, is a _huge_ decline in aerobic capacity over just nine years (from 48 years old to 57 years old).

If someone's decline with age is minimal, I think a rower can lose as little as _one_ second per 500m each decade after 20.

Physically, if you use it, you don't lose it.

And, of course, technique doesn't have to decline at all over the years.

ranger

[whp4]

Any time less than 6:20 is less than 6:30

Wait, we aren't talking about how long he'll row before handling down? His answer makes perfect sense that way

[rjw]

When's your first reported 1k OTW piece going to show up here?

I think I can hold 37 spm for 1K OTW.

Thinking that you can do something and actually doing it are two different things Rich. Last time you thought that you could hold a pace on the erg you blew-up and limped in. You actually need to do some test pieces before you you use the term - "I think I can.....".

[Nosmo]

At the 2009 Masters US Nationals, I see that a 48-year-old did 3:36 for 1K.

That's pretty good.

1:48 pace

I would guess that he had to rate up pretty high to do that.

37 spm?

That's 7.6 SPI

NO IT IS NOT! You have no idea what his SPI was. Actually you seem to have no idea what Power is.


BTW, my last single race I did in 3:40.3. 35-36 spm on the start (a bit low because of rough water), 32-33 for the body and 34-35 for the last 250 (flatter water there). It was also faster MM2x and MxM2x I did later in the day.
I don't have much of a chance of winning the nationals. That should tell you something about OTW numbers.

[ranger]

I am not talking about power.

I am talking about aerobic capacity--rating up.

Wait until your 2K on the erg is 6:10 rating 40 spm rather than 6:54 rating 30 spm.

These two are done with exactly the same power (11 SPI) but very different aerobic capacities.

WRONG WRONG WRONG!
You've been erging for how long and you still have no idea what power is?!
SPI is not power it is energy. There is a difference but you don't seem to care about learning what it is.

What's the calibration factor on your SpeedCoach?

He is not going to answer that question because he doesn't know and doesn't know how to find out. He probably doesn't even know what a calibration factor is.

I do, and have calibrated my speed coach with my Garmin GPS Navigator.

Does Mike know what a calibration factor is?

I would guess not, given that what he reports in terms of workouts has little to do with what he does in races.

Does Mike account for which direction he rows (down current, up current) on the Connecticut River?

I row on lakes. There is no current.

At the Blackfly, Mike rowed with an SPI of 6.2 (2:04.4 @ 28.5 spm).

But in his workouts, he claims an SPI of 7.7, and reports workouts with an SPI of 8, or even above.

So what's up?

Could you record one of your workouts with a Garmin Navigator and present the results here?

That would put some of thise _serious_ doubts to rest.

Why be a liar?

For sensational effect?

You might want to think again.

If Mike can really do a sustained 2:00 @ 24 spm at below AT, then, heck, all he has to do is rate 26, and he would be doing 1:57 for 5K/AT, almost ten seconds per 500m faster than what he does when he shows up for races.

I suspect that Mike will not do 1:57 for 5K, as his reported workouts suggest.

I suspect he will continue to do 2:07.

ranger

[mikvan52]

What's the calibration factor on your SpeedCoach ?

What's the calibration factor on your SpeedCoach?

ranger

Do you know what this is?
I assume you are using a NK timing product. Am I wrong?

See:
http://www.nkhome.com/rowing-paddling/speed-coach-xl/3/

Read about calibration:

Calibration Routine

To calibrate the SpeedCoach, row over a measured distance on still water (on flowing water, row both up and down stream and average the results shown on the display). Then, use the following formula to obtain the new calibration value:

(Old Cal Value) (True Distance)/Displayed Distance= New Cal Value

For example, if the known rowed distance is 1 mile, but the display shows 0.92, the calibration value would be: (1.00) (1.00)/0.92 = 1.086

Rich:
How about we make this a double blind study:

You calibrate yours. I've already calibrated mine.
Then, we can share the results. Don't forget to save your test data.

I'll bet yours is still set at 1.00.. which is wrong for the Fluid hull. A 1.00 calibration factor makes it appear that the boat is moving through the water faster than it actually is.
I suggest you do your homework and get this right if you want to report accurate times for your OTW pieces...

[mikvan52]

I am not talking about power.

I am talking about aerobic capacity--rating up.

Wait until your 2K on the erg is 6:10 rating 40 spm rather than 6:54 rating 30 spm.

These two are done with exactly the same power (11 SPI) but very different aerobic capacities.

WRONG WRONG WRONG!
You've been erging for how long and you still have no idea what power is?!
SPI is not power it is energy. There is a difference but you don't seem to care about learning what it is.

What's the calibration factor on your SpeedCoach?

He is not going to answer that question because he doesn't know and doesn't know how to find out. He probably doesn't even know what a calibration factor is.

I do, and have calibrated my speed coach with my Garmin GPS Navigator.

Does Mike know what a calibration factor is?

I would guess not, given that what he reports in terms of workouts has little to do with what he does in races.

Does Mike account for which direction he rows (down current, up current) on the Connecticut River?

I row on lakes. There is no current.

At the Blackfly, Mike rowed with an SPI of 6.2 (2:04.4 @ 28.5 spm).

But in his workouts, he claims an SPI of 7.7, and reports workouts with an SPI of 8, or even above.

So what's up?

Could you record one of your workouts with a Garmin Navigator and present the results here?

That would put some of thise _serious_ doubts to rest.

Why be a liar?

For sensational effect?

You might want to think again.

ranger

So: We now know you use a GPS. All well and good except for use in moving water.
I have calibrated my NK correctly for moving water.

To answer your question about the Black Fly.
Ever hear about headwind?
Ever hear about rowing to win a race?
Ever hear about steering to avoid traffic and other hazards?
These considerations have to be considered in actual race conditions.
Once you do you see that my training reports are comparable.
To suggest otherwise is laughable.
To claim that I am a liar shows what feeble lengths you'll go to to prop up your vision of your own rowing.

As for my times at nationals last year... You seem to be too lazy to look them up for me and instead focus on what a 48 year-old did... Odd. Your focus should be trying to beat your peers.

I have reported my times at US Nationals several times. I sculled "to win": In five 1ks in the single I have not lost.

On the issue of accuracy: You do not report any times w/distances for your workouts. I report what I believe to be accurate ones.
If I make an error in one of these assessments, I correct it... It's all in my blog.

Let's get back to your statements:
I don't know much about the Garmin. Will it calculate actual geographic distance covered in a straight line or circuitous routes?

[ranger]

I have calibrated my NK correctly for moving water.

Liar.

ranger

[mikvan52]

have calibrated my NK correctly for moving water.

Liar.

ranger

Cute of you, Rich... Insults won't work; timed pieces will. Races will even be better....

[ranger]

Ever hear about headwind?

Sure.

Just joshin'.

At the moment, you're a lot better than I am OTW.

I have paddled--tandem--in a roaring headwind--for eight hours--flat out--all day.

I am intimately familiar with headwinds.

I have a saying that my children know well:

"Life if a headwind on Lake Opeongo."

It takes all day to paddle Opeongo, the largest lake in Algonquin Park, Ontario, Canada.

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safa ... CBcQnwIwAQ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Opeon ... 45.67N.png

I have done this many times in a roaring headwind, because the normal route is to paddle Opeongo, north to south, in the summer, from Happy Isle, to the store at the southern tip of the lake, often against prevailing southern winds.

Not an easy day.

But I am used to it--from two decades of suffering through it, starting at nine years old.

Now, it doesn't bother me at all.

How do you survive?

You just dig in on each stroke, ignoring how slow you are going, relative to your effort.

And 10,000 strokes and eight hours later, you are done.

While this suffering is going on, it helps to sing.



BTW, all of my children have also paddled Opeongo, north to south, many times.

That's what education (and parenting) is all about.

ranger