Ranger's training thread

[hjs]

Yes, like last time you said the handle was at the crankcase, then you posted a video showing it was about 8" away. Is there any reason to believe you're a single day closer to your FM than you were 4 years ago? If you're going to insist on coming here to lie every day, you should at least choose a topic that is even somewhat believable. I don't know, maybe tell us you're going to drink a liter of vodka every day for a month. At least we could get behind that one because it's physically possible for you to achieve.

Nomatter when the fm is taking place, (never of course), the answer is clear, he is now 4 years closer. Although the fact itself will never happen

[ranger]

Nice 10K OTW over at Europe Lake.

I am _realllllllly_ getting it now.

Better catches and finishes.

Did some 1:54 @ 28 spm!

That's _over_ 8 SPI.

Just a couple of years ago, I was doing 2:04 @ 28 spm.

I am now ten seconds per 500m faster at the same rate.

Even at 15 seconds per 500m over erg times, 1:54 @ 28 spm is the equivalent OTErg of 1:39 @ 28 spm (13 SPI).

ranger

[ranger]

when do you sleep?

Must be age, I guess, but I only sleep five hours a night.

So, if I go to bed early (9 p.m.), I wake up _very_ early (2 a.m.).

Etc.

ranger

[ranger]

Is there any reason to believe you're a single day closer to your FM than you were 4 years ago?

Sure.

You don't get 10 seconds per 500m faster at the same rate OTW by just pulling harder.

My catches and finishes are better.

I have finally learned how to use my back as a brace, rather than just as a lever.

Catches and finishes are _much_ quicker, and therefore stronger, if the back is used as a stationary brace against the countermovement of the legs (at the catch) and the arms (at the finish).

I used to lever the whole drive with my back, diving at the catch, laying back at the finish.

Drag is now low (120 df.).

Slide is now full.

Recoveries are now quick.

The slide is controlled.

Etc.

My FM target is 1:48, but if I rate 26 spm, as I think I might, I'll do 1:44.

I am now pulling 12 SPI.

So I only need to rate 23 spm to pull 1:48.

1:48 @ 23 spm (12 SPI) is now UT2 (70% HRR, for me, 145 bpm).

But I can row a FM at 155 bpm, perhaps even 160 bpm.

ranger

[mikvan52]

You don't get 10 seconds per 500m faster at the same rate OTW by just pulling harder.

My catches and finishes are better.

I have finally learned how to use my back as a brace, rather than just as a lever.

Catches and finishes are _much_ quicker, and therefore stronger, if the back is used as a stationary brace against the countermovement of the legs (at the catch) and the arms (at the finish).

I used to lever the whole drive with my back, diving at the catch, laying back at the finish.

What does the "back brace against" ?
You are delusional.
The metal picture you have is of a fictional bio-mechanical situation that remains an impossibility.
Get a book on kinesiology.

Perhaps you might want to consider that the spine is NOT meant to be employed as if it were a stiff and unbendable rod?

Surely, the back has nothing to "brace against" (!)

Additionally:
You're "10 seconds faster" observation has not been experienced by you for continuous rowing on the water...
Why do you insist on building training theories on bursts of just a few strokes?

... or, does your motivation in posting BS merely to "get a rise"..?

your friend,
Tonto

[ranger]

What does the "back brace against" ?

At the catch and finish, the back is used as a brace, for the legs (at the catch) and for the arms (at the finish).

The countermotion is what creates the speed of leverage.

The back is braced by the core muscles.

In between, you swing your back, using it as a lever, rather than as a brace.

ranger

[ranger]

You're "10 seconds faster" observation has not been experienced by you for continuous rowing on the water...

Yes, it has.

These are just improvements in technique, Mike.

The improvement is there on every stroke, with no additional effort.

It doesn't have anything to do with pulling harder.

ranger

[mikvan52]

You're "10 seconds faster" observation has not been experienced by you for continuous rowing on the water...

Yes, it has.

These are just improvements in technique, Mike.

The improvement is there on every stroke, with no additional effort.

It doesn't have anything to do with pulling harder.

ranger

Technique can be demonstrated without speed.
Your contention concerns speed not technique..

Are you willing to contend then that you currently row each and every stroke on the water at sub 2:00 per 500m pace?

You're blowing smoke again.... or holding it down too long..

Maybe you mean to say that at each spm rating you are generally 10 sec per 500 faster on average than you used to (?)
Then:
Let's see the stats then via a photo of your timing device...
Start with 1000m with a time and a rate visible...
This remains something you are unwilling to do, continually using the word "some" instead...

Have you ever sculled a rate limited 1k in the last 10 years and recorded it? You have.... but you choose not to share such information...
You'd rather, in troll-speak, say "If i row the way I know I now can I'll beat Spousta and Dietz"... an empty statement ...
The "if" is not a reality and never will be because it's a trumped up hypothesis...

[mikvan52]

Let's look at a little history for your readers:

The rhythm of the stroke is gorgeous.

I got to 2:00 @ 25 spm today.

(snip)

So, that's all she wrote in terms of technique.

Now I just have to build up my consistency with it over the next couple of years.

If I can just get out OTW and rate 25 spm for an hour or two each day, stroking that well, it's curtains for my 60s competition
(snip)
I put in a nice 12K OTW today, after a similar amount OTErg.

I need to build that up to 20K of each.

ranger

So: Here it is a year later and you are not putting in the distance on the water as you suggested you must?
What gives? aren't you even going to try?

You do 10k an outing BUT! you don't go out even 6 days a week.

seems to me as you've thrown in the towel, "Rocky"...

Your technique work is done (according to you)...
"Where's the beef?"
When's the 1st race?

[ranger]

You're "10 seconds faster" observation has not been experienced by you for continuous rowing on the water...Why do you insist on building training theories on bursts of just a few strokes?

Technical advances in rowing are indeed just a matter of how much work you get done easily on each stroke.

Then, to draw on your fitness, you just raise the rate.

I have been concentrating on technique, on improving each stroke.

The problem with continuous rowing is fitness:

Once your technique is in order, do you have enough aerobic capacity to raise the rate?

I have this fitness in spades.

You don't.

So, again, with your worries about continuous rowing, you are just talking about yourself.

Doesn't have anything to do with me.

Sure, you should be _very_ concerned that you don't have the fitness hold your technique together and rate 30 spm for 5K.

Because, if you don't, you'll never win the Head of the Charles.

ranger

[mikvan52]

You're "10 seconds faster" observation has not been experienced by you for continuous rowing on the water...Why do you insist on building training theories on bursts of just a few strokes?

Technical advances in rowing are indeed just a matter of how much work you get done easily on each stroke.

Then, to draw on your fitness, you just raise the rate.

I have been concentrating on technique, on improving each stroke.

The problem with continuous rowing is fitness.
(snip)
I have this fitness in spades.



(snip)

so let's limit the talk to you:

assume: ranger is fit
conclude: he has some TT's that would demonstrate that he is.
actuality: he doesn't choose to show anything of the sort
new conclusion: (puzzlement)

Show us some continuous fit sculling for 100-200 strokes... Hey! How about 1k?

Or do you just prefer photos of sunrises?
http://concept2.co.uk/forum/blog.php?u=905&b=87813

Did some 1:54 @ 28 spm! (on the water)

conclusion... broke his own rule... only did "some" not "continuous"...
Broke your own rule!

[ranger]

Mike--

The erg is made especially to test your fitness.

Rowing well for a lightweight is 13 SPI.

So, to test your fitness, just get OTErg and rate 30 spm @ 13 SPI for 5K, and there you have it.

That's 390 watts.

1:37

16:10 for the 5K as a whole.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Mike--

The erg is made especially to test your fitness.

... and (for you) clearly, the water is not?

(false)

[ranger]

assume: ranger is fit
conclude: he has some TT's that would demonstrate that he is.
actuality: he doesn't choose to show anything of the sort

My first demonstration of my fitness will be a FM @ 1:48 OTErg.

The 60s lwt FM WR is 2:00 pace.

That should make a point, no?

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

The erg is made especially to test your fitness.

... and (for you) clearly, the water is not?

(false)

No reason to test my fitness OTW at the moment.

I am still learning to row OTW.

For testing my fitness, I have the erg.

ranger