Ranger's training thread

[lancs]

Careful Mike, you're in danger of becoming one of the 'regular clowns' on this thread....

[PaulH]

A few pages ago I asked ranger several times what the point of this thread continuing might be. He was unable to come up with any answer, so I'm thinking of locking it. To be fair as soon as a point does hove into view I'd be very happy to unlock it (assuming that's a feature of the software, something I'd have to check) - I figured an IND_V of any sort would be something concrete.

Now the downside - I'm not going to ban him permanently (don't complain to me, I'm empowered to ban spammers and that's it), so ranger's unique contribution is likely to turn up throughout the forum. What does the community think? Continue the thread, or lock it and take the consequences?

[ranger]

wasn’t that kind of hard on your Achilles tendon?

My achilles tendons were stressed by my ankles, which I sprained and broke repeatedly.

No other reason.

I was a marathon runner for 25 years.

ranger

[ranger]

A few pages ago I asked ranger several times what the point of this thread continuing might be.

(1) Well, as I mentioned, even without preparing for most of my races, I think I might well be the most successful veteran erger, 40-70, over the last decade. I have had the best 2K for my age and weight (50s/55s lwts) for five of the last nine years, with sub-6:30 rows as a heavyweight two of the other years. I have three WR rows and have won all of the major championships.

(2) I have worked for a decade to improve my rowing, and I am now on the verge of demonstrating the results.

(3) On the forum here, I have explained in great detail how I have improved my rowing.

Gosh.

If these three, taken together, are grounds for banning/locking/etc., I am indeed baffled by what this community is about.

If I indeed achieve the results I think I will, the training methods I have detailed in (3) are responsible and should be of interest to everyone in the erging community.

As I have explained, given what I pulled when I was 52, a lwt 6:16 2K at 60 would best normal expectations by 30 seconds.

That's a lot.

If I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, I would be happy to invite Mike C. to use to Wolverine Plan to train himself to do the same.

The normal expectation, given Mike's 6:18 at 40, would be 6:38 at 60.

The normal decline with age is in and around a second a year over 2K after 20.

ranger

[Steve G]

Leave it open Paul, good for a laugh, doesn't do any harm and keeps him in one place without spoiling other forums.
We know he will never post any meaningful FM result etc, he has been saying the same for years now!
He is still living in a time warp when he hauled anchor, not prepared blah blah blah.

[snowleopard]

Keep it running Paul, if only to keep his puerile interventions away from other threads.

[leadville]

Lock it. the GDP of the UK and US need the boost.

[aharmer]

He continues to maintain his FM will be the next quantifiable evidence of his improvement. I vote to lock this thread and any thread he opens until his FM is posted IND_V. At that time we'll have something of substance to discuss.

[PaulH]

Actually, ranger, those were the sorts of reasons you gave for the existence of the thread up to now. I pointed out that you'd already achieved all your goals in terms of explaining, quantifying, etc. I then asked what was the point of *continuing* the thread, now that all that was done. You didn't reply. I'm still listening though.

Thanks for the comments so far, folks, keep them coming!

[whp4]

I don't think anyone would want to be without ranger's wisdom—after all, I'm pretty sure he's the greatest erger of all-time (in his eyes). But typing and reading these lengthy posts is so time-consuming, and prone to misinterpretation. Thinking about the old adage about a picture being worth a thousand words, I propose any description of alleged training activities must be accompanied by a screenshot or video demonstrating that said activities actually took place. IND_V verification would also suffice, of course. Any post without such verification would get the old "factual inaccuracy" treatment. Naturally, this policy would focus the discussion on the present, which is the only relevant timeframe, as "he's much better now".

[ranger]

If Mike C. would like to demonstrate the effectiveness of the WP for veteran rowers, I suppose he could start by besting Siebach's 50s lwt WR of 6:25 at 50, or my lwt 6:28 at 53 (rowing badly, as a total novice, at max drag).

Then we could proceed from there.

Of course, a lwt 6:16, rowing well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.) is more difficult--by many orders of magnitude.



But first things first.

ranger

[bellboy]

Ban him for 48 hours every time he utters the words "without even preparing for it". A lie so trite and baseless that if i had a spare grand i would fly over to Ann Arbour and personally shove his pc up his chuff sideways. Im serious Paul. We all skip over his usual bollocks "at max Drag "blah,blah,blah but this is the one that does it for me. If this is a true training thread then he has to record quantifiable evidence with a screenshot. No picture. No Von ManBatt.

[whp4]

Has Mike ever been a DNS or DNF? Has he ever had to "just paddle it" because he had no energy left after making weight? Has he ever failed to go sub-7 in competition? Is the spread between his best row in competition and his worst greater than half a minute?

Hint: the word that correctly answers all of the questions above also correctly answers the question below:

Will ranger ever deliver on his claimed potential, or even go sub-6:40?

[snowleopard]

If Mike C. would like to demonstrate the effectiveness of the WP for veteran rowers

And the 'ranger' plan has demonstrated what for veteran rowers? Put up or just STFU.

[ranger]

And the 'ranger' plan has demonstrated what for veteran rowers?

Indeed it has.

Over the last ten years, I have the best record as a veteran rower--bar none--without even preparing for my races.

And it isn't ending at 60, as it did for many others.

Mike C. has _no_ record as a veteran rower.

It will indeed be interesting to see what record he establishes, if any.

From what he has done lately, I don't think we should hold our breath.

I don't expect Mike C. to do anything much as a veteran--at all.

Dennis Hastings has also quit rowing.

Why?

Both are snobs, who aren't really interested in rowing at all, if they can't win.

And now, neither can win.

So it goes.

To win, you have to earn it.

ranger