Ranger's training thread

[rjw]

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Rowing well at low drag, I'll now pull 6:16.

That is simply not true.

You have not provided a shred of evidence to conclude otherwise.

[jliddil]

And you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself in another part of the world
And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile
And you may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful
wife
And you may ask yourself-Well...How did I get here?
Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.
And you may ask yourself
How do I work this?
And you may ask yourself
Where is that large automobile?
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful house!
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful wife!
Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...

Water dissolving...and water removing
There is water at the bottom of the ocean
Remove the water carry the water
Remove the water at the bottom of the ocean!
Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the money's gone
Once in a life time water flowing underground.
Into the blue again/into the silent water.
under the rocks and stones/there is water underground
Letting the days go by/into the silent water
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground
And you may ask yourself
What is that beautiful house?
And you may ask yourself
Where does that highway go?
And you may ask yourself
Am I right?...Am I wrong?
And you may say to yourself
MY GOD!...WHAT HAVE I DONE?
Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the money's gone
once in a lifetime/water flowing undeground
into the blue again/into the silent water
once in a lifetime/water flowing underground
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...

time isn't holding us, time isn't after us
time isn't holding us, time doesn't hold you back
time isn't holding us, time isn't after us
time isn't holding us,
letting the days go by(x3)
once in a lifetime
letting the days go by(x3)
once in a lifetime

[Citroen]

Rowing well at low drag, I'll now pull 6:16.

Where's the screen shot, where's the IND_V ranked entry.
You can't even pull sub 7:00 based on your last public performance. So where did that 46 seconds magically appear from.

Stay off the hard liquor and you may be able to row passably. You'll never row well because you're an enormous prick. You'll never beat Roy because he's faster than you. You'll never beat Mike VB because you're scared of racing on water.

[ranger]

Smoke on the water.

Darkness at dawn.

Northern air blew in last night, with storms.

It is supposed to be sunny today, but it sure doesn't look like it now.



12K OTErg before dawn.

Yep, I am now pulling 13 SPI, easy as pie, in my low rate, FM rowing.

1:44 @ 24 spm (13 SPI) now comes along naturally, and, i must say, feels like mollasses, given the high ratio (4-to-1).

My most relaxed cadence is 27 spm, and at 13 SPI, I move along with it at 1:40.

For my age and weight, that's under 2K WR pace.

Dang.

I'm getting good.

The secret has been better catches at finishes, added to the low drag and high ratios.

Big technical advances.

I think I might pull 1:44 @ 24 spm (13 SPI) for a FM.

This 25K a day regimen, split evenly between OTErg (just before dawn) and OTW (just after dawn) is really producing some results.

When I feel as though this 25K a day regimen is entirely solidified, I'll up the regimen to 40K a day--20K OTErg (just before dawn) followed by 20K OTW (just after dawn).

ranger

[ranger]

Where's the screen shot, where's the IND_V ranked entry.

I won't need a screen shot or a ranked entry.

I'll row the 6:16 2K at WIRC 2012.

You can watch me do it.

See you there!

I am just doing FM training now, although a FM might be one of the best, and most useful, 2K predictors, given that it is done so early in your 2K race preparation and at such a low intensity.

Just relaxed, everyday business.

A harbinger of things to come!

Your 2K is never much worse than FM + 14.

Anyone who can pull 1:48 for a FM can pull 1:34/6:16 for 2K.

Anyone who can pull 1:44 for a FM can pull 1:30/6:00 for 2K.

ranger

[aharmer]

So one week before WIRC 2012, when we haven't seen your FM yet, what will the excuse be? I'd recommend we all go over to the UK site and follow Roy's blog to see a real pursuit of a WR.

[ranger]

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Rowing well at low drag, I'll now pull 6:16.

That is simply not true.

You have not provided a shred of evidence to conclude otherwise.

Sure.

Training goes from the top down, from a FM to a 500m.

But I am now pulling 13 SPI, and 24 spm is a very reasonable FM rate.

I am now doing 25K a day, OTW and off, and I will soon push this to 40K a day.

So...

I am pretty darn happy.

Wouldn't you be, if you were me?

Ten years ago, I pulled 10 SPI at max drag (200+ df.), not 13 SPI at low drag (120 df.).

Quite a change!

I am now much more effective and efficient while rowing.

A FM, 1:44 @ 24 spm (13 SPI) is pretty much the Open hwt FM WR.

A FM @ 1:44 predicts a 6:00 2K, which is pretty much the Open lwt 2K WR.

13 SPI is rowing perfectly for a lwt of any age.

In rowing, the (wo-)man with the best stroke wins.

ranger

[ranger]

So one week before WIRC 2012, when we haven't seen your FM yet, what will the excuse be? I'd recommend we all go over to the UK site and follow Roy's blog to see a real pursuit of a WR.

Honestly, I don't think Roy has a hope in hell of beating Brian Bailey's 60s lwt WR.

Roy has only one lwt row in competition under 6:40, and that was five years ago.

In the meantime, he has been biking, not rowing.

Even for those who stay active in the sport, the normal decline with age for veterans like Roy who just prepare to race, working on their fitness, is 1.7 seconds over 2K per year.

At best, then, that predicts a 6:46.5 2K, which misses Bailey's record by a country mile.

Given his history in the sport, to improve upon this prediction Roy would have to improve his rowing, not his fitness.

Roy _can't_ improve his fitness.

It was maximal long ago, and given his age, it is inevitably declining.

To improve his rowing, I think that Roy would have to row OTW for a decade or so, as I have, but he doesn't seem interested in this at all.

Roy certainly has the fitness to row much faster for 2K if he knew how to row well (13 SPI).

But he doesn't.

No one is going anywhere very fast if they are pullin' 9.5 SPI for 2K.

At 34 spm, 9.5 SPI is 6:50.

ranger

[ben990]

At 34 spm, 9.5 SPI is 6:50.

ranger

6:50?! That is waaaaayyyyyyyy better than you and your 7:03!

I am pretty darn happy.

Wouldn't you be, if you were me?

No, I would be a bitter old man who drinks a lot and lies about his training... oh wait, fait accompli.

[KevJGK]

I am pretty darn happy.

That's not how you come across.

[aharmer]

Why don't you reply to the first part of my post? You know, the part about you and your lies? Roy will either break the record or he won't, but he'll give it an honest effort instead of lying about being capable of far more. So again, when you have failed to complete the FM prior to WIRC 2012 what will the excuse be? Looking forward to your 6:50 at WIRC followed by "I didn't even prepare for it".

[Citroen]

Where's the screen shot, where's the IND_V ranked entry.

I won't need a screen shot or a ranked entry.

I'll row the 6:16 2K at WIRC 2012.

You can watch me do it.

I won't be there. Not that you'll do it anyway. You'll either DNS or DNF or haul anchor to a 7:02.

[ranger]

I am pretty darn happy.

That's not how you come across.

Sorry?

My training is coming along great.

_You folks_ are the ones who claim that it isn't.

Personally, I'm delighted with it.

No WR-holder, 40-70, has ever gotten better, not to mention significantly better.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.).

Ten years ago, when I had three consecutive WR rows, I rowed poorly (10 SPI) at max drag (200+ df.).

ranger

[ranger]

Roy will either break the record or he won't, but he'll give it an honest effort

Well, just preparing to race again won't be an "honest effort" this time.

So you seem to know something that I don't.

What will Roy do to overcome the prediction that, given the standard decline with age among those who just prepare to race, working on their fitness, he is now only capable of 6:46.5?

Roy is now in the position that I was in back in 2003.

He will need to improve his rowing, not just fitness, if he is going to make an "honest effort" at breaking Brian Bailey's WR.

Over the last eight years, I have made just this effort.

Will Roy?

ranger

[rjw]

So...

I am pretty darn happy.

Wouldn't you be, if you were me?

In a word - NO!