Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

BTW, if you want results, at a half-way point in my learning to row, in 2006, when I was 55, I pulled a 6:29.7 2K @ 12 SPI--at high drag, still struggling with technique, without even preparing for it.

No one my age and weight has ever come anywhere near sub-6:30, much less unprepared, much less pulling 12 SPI.

Five years later, my training is now complete.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.).

So I am now preparing to race.

Everyone gets about a dozen seconds over 2K from a couple of months of race preparation, distance trials and anaerobic intervals.

I am not sure what rowing well at low drag is worth over 2K, but I suspect something comparable (i.e., a dozen seconds over 2K).

ranger

[ranger]

Everything is still fogged in here.

White out!

But I think I'll go over to Europe Lake and give it a go anyway.

12K OTErg before dawn and breakfast.

I'll try to do something comparable OTW.

ranger

[PaulH]

So what's the point of the thread?

Nothing, if you are not interested in how to train for rowing.

To each his own, I guess.

ranger

But you've made that clear, measured by your own standards, over and over now. So what's the point in the thread continuing?

No answer?

[bellboy]

So what's the point of the thread?

Nothing, if you are not interested in how to train for rowing.

To each his own, I guess.

ranger

But you've made that clear, measured by your own standards, over and over now. So what's the point in the thread continuing?

Lock this thread and throw away the key Paul. The delusion he is displaying is now beyond parody

[hjs]

How many people did set there life time best in any given sports and never ever broke that PB again?


I only now of one


Ps not that I have done much better lol.

I pulled a 6.19 after three months training.
6.18 in my first race

And a 6.14 as a lifelong pb in my 6 race orso, the races before that always being 6.18 or 6.19

[aharmer]

Technique is perfect. Fitness is maximal and can't be improved. Pulling 1:48 at UT every day. You've said a thousand times, UT is a pace you can pull all day long. These facts would lead me to believe that this person could pull a 1:48 FM.

What conclusion could somebody come to other than that you are a lying, attention seeking troll?

People are trying to throw their money at you to pull only 5k at 1:48. You won't do it because you can't. To say your FM will happen this summer is just another blatant lie. End of this summer it will be this fall, then this winter, rinse and repeat.

As usual, you reserve the right to actually do something and prove us wrong. Until then you are a lying, attention seeking whore.

And to compare your results in a fringe sport, in an advanced age class, in the lightweight version of that class with 300 million people clearly displays the flabbergasting level of stupidity we're dealing with.

[ranger]

Nice 12K OTW over at Europe Lake in the fog, after 12K OTErg.

Nice water conditions but no visibility.

I am now doing a nice 2:00 @ 27 spm (7.5 SPI) on a regular basis.

2:00 @ 25 spm (8 SPI, 10 MPS) is my technical target, though, so I am still quite a way short of that.

I still have lots to learn.

Finishes are now much better.

I now have the hang of how to send the boat away with my arms and feet, leveraged against a stiff back, at the end of each drive.

Zoooooooooooooooooooooooom!

Catches are now much better, too.

I now have the hang of how to drop my blades in the water right at the speed of the boat and how to keep my hips forward during the entire leg drive, pushing straight back.

Post in the water!

Post in the water!

ranger

[ranger]

Technique is perfect. Fitness is maximal and can't be improved. Pulling 1:48 at UT every day. You've said a thousand times, UT is a pace you can pull all day long. These facts would lead me to believe that this person could pull a 1:48 FM.

Sure, once I get my distance up sufficiently.

Everything else is in place.

I can indeed pull a FM @ 1:48, but that doesn't mean that I can skip what I need to do to prepare for it.

To think otherwise is absurd, or naive.

1:48 is the _50s_ _heavyweight_ WR for a FM.

The 60s lightweight WR for a FM is 2:00 pace, 16 _minutes_ slower, in distance, about 4.5K.



I am a 60s lightweight.

ranger

[ranger]

At some point this summer, hopefully sooner rather than later, I need to get to 20K OTErg @ 23 spm just before dawn, followed by 20K OTW @ 23 spm just after dawn.

Then the FM @ 1:48 OTErg will come along just fine.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

Dream dream dream, dream
Dream dream dream, dream

When I sit down to write a post
When I want to repeat a boast
Instead of a workout all I ever do is dream

When I shove off in my boat
I need God's help to stay afloat
Instead of a workout all I ever do is dream

Though I lack the steam I'll row six sixteen,
Anytime night or day
Only trouble is, gee whiz, I'm dreaming my life away

I jerk the chain and rush the slide
I row so slow and that is why
Instead of a workout all I ever do is dream....

[ranger]

Here's what it looks like off the porch of my cottage looking out at the big lake.

That's what I rowed in today at Europe Lake.



ranger

[Fred]

I can indeed pull a FM @ 1:48, but that doesn't mean that I can skip what I need to do to prepare for it.
To think otherwise is absurd, or naive.

So you are saying that you "can" do a 2:32:0 FM (average pace 1:48), but you can't do it right now.

You are deliberately misusing the word "can", you should be using "could", as in "I think I should be able to".

There is a lot of gray in many of your statements, in this case however it's pretty clear you are deliberately misusing words to create the false impression that you have an ability that in fact you do not possess (currently, present tense).

[aharmer]

Correct Fred. I can pull a sub 6 2k. Well, I could. Well, I could if I had a lot more strength and a bigger aerobic engine than I have. But i can see sub 1:30 on my PM3 any time i want. Sounds fair to me, begin praising my accomplishments immediately.

[JimR]

Correct Fred. I can pull a sub 6 2k. Well, I could. Well, I could if I had a lot more strength and a bigger aerobic engine than I have. But i can see sub 1:30 on my PM3 any time i want. Sounds fair to me, begin praising my accomplishments immediately.

We're not worthy, we're not worthy!!!

[ranger]

So you are saying that you "can" do a 2:32:0 FM (average pace 1:48), but you can't do it right now.

You are deliberately misusing the word "can", you should be using "could", as in "I think I should be able to".

My talk in this way is entirely legitimate if you know endurance sports (and rowing in particular).

I was a marathon runner for 25 years, and I have been training for rowing now for 10 years.

As I have already said here many times, now fast you are in a FM OTErg doesn't have much to do with fitness at all.

It has to do with how well you row, how effective and efficient you are technically (and otherwise) when rowing.

Lots of people are fit, but most of those people can't row a lick.

No veteran (50+) erger has ever rowed well, much less a 60s veteran.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.).

So I now have the effectiveness and efficiency to do a FM @ 1:48, even though I am a 60s lightweight.

I just need to prepare for it adequately.

No 60s lwt has ever pulled a FM at much more than 9 SPI.

That misses rowing well by right around 50%.

Rowing well has to do with how much work you get done on each stroke, just naturally, relative to your body weight.

At the upper limit, rowing well for lightweights is 13 SPI.

At the upper limit, rowing well for heavyweights is 16 SPI.

(Sure, if you are unusually small, either for a lightweight or for a heavyweight, these numbers are proportionally smaller).

ranger