Sprints and Stuff- training/questions 1k and below

[G-dub]

Lefty - it's an interesting question because the type of stroke you use is relative to the distance you are rowing, at some point, because of rating as Henry points out. I guess if that peak power test is geared to 2K, and not 500, then I guess you would have to rate similarly to 2K and pull similar strokes. The remaining question is if drag is enough of a variable to make a worthwhile difference in peak power. Or is it the intention of the study to also allow higher rate to get to peak power in addition to drag. Now that I think about it, I guess you rate as high as can while using a full slide. Seems like there is always one or two missing pieces of info!

[hjs]

Lefty - it's an interesting question because the type of stroke you use is relative to the distance you are rowing, at some point, because of rating as Henry points out. I guess if that peak power test is geared to 2K, and not 500, then I guess you would have to rate similarly to 2K and pull similar strokes. The remaining question is if drag is enough of a variable to make a worthwhile difference in peak power. Or is it the intention of the study to also allow higher rate to get to peak power in addition to drag. Now that I think about it, I guess you rate as high as can while using a full slide. Seems like there is always one or two missing pieces of info!

If so why use drag 200? Which also has nothing to do with 2k work.

Peak power is just like any distance. The spm and drag that gives the best result is best.

Peakpower and 2k have little overlap. After a long aerobic blok the fast fibers are asleep, here its usefull to work on power for while. If thats not the case its pretty useless if you ask me. I more believe in working your fast fibers all year round.
Via weights or jumping etc..

[bisqeet]

Big Upper body strength. 1/4 (?) strokes.
Looks powerful

[hjs]

HJS, even in the 500m sprints the athletes opened up and used longer (looks like full) strokes after they got up to speed. The stubby fella with the 100m, he just doesn't look like an erger, more a x fit guy who ripped out a fast 100.

Rates seem to start out very high and to then taper off. In the 500 it doesn't look like any of them maintain anything over 40spm.

Count the strokes.... 40 ? Rob Smith? Common. Last 15 seconds was rate 48 for Rob. Last! Overall a good bit higher.

The 100 meter guy is no rower. Its just an example. Even Shawn use 60 plus spm on the 100 and close to 50 on the 100.

[G-dub]

Agreed Henry! It doesn't make sense to me to equate the peak power test to 2K too literally (if at all). I was actually going to add that instead of trying to interpret the rules of that one test, I was going to focus on 100m test. If I can bring that time down, I am probably getting more powerful assuming rate is similar.

[G-dub]

Here is the test protocol:

https://peakcentre.wordpress.com/2009/0 ... rformance/

[hjs]

Here is the test protocol:

https://peakcentre.wordpress.com/2009/0 ... rformance/

I know it. Don,t see the point of using that drag. And in general pretty disagree. Rowing 2k is fitness, the fittest rower wins, not the strongest.

[jackarabit]

Smith 62 strokes in 1:20 = 46.5spm. In profile, looks like 3/4 stroke in terms of leg compression.

The Goliath chappie gets in 19 strokes on both itty bits so easily 80 spm. Guessing leg extension not a big contribution.

[left coaster]

HJS, I'm just curious, and generally friendly. There are very few things in the world that I'm willing to argue over and indoor erging is certainly not one of them.

G-Dub, we're quite close on the power-to-weight ratio thing, on my first attempt I landed at 7.4. I then did a few 500's with the goal of maintaining 1/2 my peak power, that was stupid hard. I can understand the author's point that maintaining wattage output beyond 1/2 of peak power for a sustained duration is VERY difficult. My HR was on a linear climb the whole time.

I believe all information and perspectives are good and worth exploring, it's the exploration that is interesting and engaging for me. The rigid points of view, not so much.

[G-dub]

You bet. It really worried me actually to try and slog 200 drag off the line. And frankly, I don't really care how I measure up against high school or college kids. I'd much rather get my 100 m time as high in the age group rankings as I can - it's more fun and I think works the fast twitch and power enough.

Left coaster - just saw your post. The race is on! Let's see if we can improve in a month.

[hjs]

Smith 62 strokes in 1:20 = 46.5spm. In profile, looks like 3/4 stroke in terms of leg compression.

The Goliath chappie gets in 19 strokes on both itty bits so easily 80 spm. Guessing leg extension not a big contribution.

Jack 1.20? His time is 1.14.4.....

[hjs]

HJS, I'm just curious, and generally friendly. There are very few things in the world that I'm willing to argue over and indoor erging is certainly not one of them.

G-Dub, we're quite close on the power-to-weight ratio thing, on my first attempt I landed at 7.4. I then did a few 500's with the goal of maintaining 1/2 my peak power, that was stupid hard. I can understand the author's point that maintaining wattage output beyond 1/2 of peak power for a sustained duration is VERY difficult. My HR was on a linear climb the whole time.

You piss me off, you seldom bring something usefull on the table. And still have tell uss how it should be done. So no argue here, you are almost always wrong. Even on the simples things and no this is not mend to be friendly. I am way beyond that

Although stupid of me to bother. Should just ignore it.

[left coaster]

LOL.. whatever buddy. anger is like drinking poison and hoping the other person dies.

[jackarabit]

Yep, messed that up. So 48-50spm for Rob Smith.

Says 73 spm on the young man's monitor. Rounding error mine or--wait for it--the monitor's?

[hjs]

LOL.. whatever buddy. anger is like drinking poison and hoping the other person dies.

Whstever. You learning curve is a pancake. Nothing sticks

Even that vid. You simple just put down a stupid number, no even counting those strokes so you right away you talk bull...... Common do some effort to use your brain