Ergs with Weightlifting (not weight training) or Powerliftin

[jbell]

Olympic Lifting is the snatch and the Clean and Jerk.

As far as Olymic lifting and getting bigger, it can happen but doesn't have to. Olympic lifter do a lot of squats. If you do the snatch and the clean and jerk, keep your squats to a minimum and don't eat more, you won't pack on muscle mass.

I am not sure about a power lifter generating a lot of power. They move the weights slowly. I'd like to see the difference in a top notch power lifter verses a top notch OLer to see who generated more power. In the book "Explosive Lifting for Sports" Harvey Newton discusses the power output in the OLs verses the squat and the DL in top lifters of both types. The OLers use generate a lot more power in their lifts. He also discusses people that don't want to add bulk training with the OLs. I'll try to read it sometime soon and post my interpretation.

Jack

If you could do that, that would be great. I am very interested in that.

[Dreadnought]

Olympic Lifting is the snatch and the Clean and Jerk.

As far as Olymic lifting and getting bigger, it can happen but doesn't have to. Olympic lifter do a lot of squats. If you do the snatch and the clean and jerk, keep your squats to a minimum and don't eat more, you won't pack on muscle mass.


Jack

It's also important to distinguish the heavyweights from the lighter weight divisions. Heavyweight have no restrictions on their weight, so extra fat on their body doesn't hurt them. Remember Vasili Alexiev? Also if you look at any cover picture of Powerlifting USA, they'll feature on of the heavyweights, very big and strong, but also fat. If you look at powerlifters in the lighter weight classes, they are much more cut and defined.

http://www.worldpowerlifting.org/

[Jack S.]

Harvey Newton has been the US OlympicWeightlifting team coach. In his book "Explosive Lifting for Sports" he has a section in Chapter One called "Strength Gains and Body Weight. He says in this section that using a high intensity low rep protocol maximizes strength gains although it is unlikely to cause any significant gain in weight. This protocol is unlikely to maximize hypertrophy. Harvey also says that body weight gains require increased caloric intake. So if you want to train with the OLs and not get bigger, don't eat more.

ANother point he is lower rep ranges result in strength and power gains.

One final point; In Table 2.1 Harvey compares the power output of Heavy Elite Powerlifters in all three lifts versus the snatch of light elites and cleans of heavy elites in Olympic lifters. According to the chart the PLers squats and deadlifts result in similar power outputs around 900 watts. The light weightlifter's power output in the snatch is 2,675 watts and the output for the heavy elite OLer is 3413 watts.

Newton summizes that training for power is maximized by6 training with the OLs.

[Dreadnought]

One final point; In Table 2.1 Harvey compares the power output of Heavy Elite Powerlifters in all three lifts versus the snatch of light elites and cleans of heavy elites in Olympic lifters. According to the chart the PLers squats and deadlifts result in similar power outputs around 900 watts. The light weightlifter's power output in the snatch is 2,675 watts and the output for the heavy elite OLer is 3413 watts.

Newton summizes that training for power is maximized by6 training with the OLs.

That is very interesting. How did they measure the power output, and can that power output be applied to the erg?

[Nosmo]

That is very interesting. How did they measure the power output, and can that power output be applied to the erg?

Power output when weight lifting is merely P=mgh/t

where P is power in watts, m is mass in Kg, g is the force of gravity =9.8 meters/sec^2), and h is the height the mass is in meters
and t is the time of the movement (in seconds, s).

Or P in watts = 1.356 wh/t, with w is weight in lbs, h in ft, and t in seconds

Or P in horsepower = (1/550) wh/t, with in lbs, h in ft, and t in seconds

[Dickie]

One final point; In Table 2.1 Harvey compares the power output of Heavy Elite Powerlifters in all three lifts versus the snatch of light elites and cleans of heavy elites in Olympic lifters. According to the chart the PLers squats and deadlifts result in similar power outputs around 900 watts. The light weightlifter's power output in the snatch is 2,675 watts and the output for the heavy elite OLer is 3413 watts.

Newton summizes that training for power is maximized by6 training with the OLs.

That is very interesting. How did they measure the power output, and can that power output be applied to the erg?

Unless you are quicker than a hummingbird (wings flap up to 4000 times per minute) your power output from powerlifting or olympic lifting can not be transferred to the erg.

When you lift weights you build up pressure and the movement does not start until the pressure exceeds the weight. On the erg the handle moves with the first pound of pressure applied. The two are not comparable at all.

I am not a Physiologist, I know there are a few who lurk here, maybe they will chime in with an explanation. I did spend 3 decades training in both powerlifting and olympic lifting so I do know something about the lifts and training for them.

Erging and weightlifting have as much in common as running and weightlifting or bicycling and weightlifting. One is a strength sport and the other is endurance.

When I rowed in college in the mid 70's, I was sure I would be Varsity and I would row circles around the other more experienced rowers, after all, no one on the team was nearly as strong as I was. Boy was I wrong, I was the slowest on the crew. It was embarrassing, it was not until I started erging that I realized just how much of an endurance sport erging is. when training with weights you rarely do more than 10 reps in a set and thats just the warmups. A 2000m race is over 200 strokes, training is just not the same.

There was one lifting activity that I will admit prepared me for the erg. Deadlifting strengthened my back so that I do not have to worry about back injury on the erg.

Fred Dickie

[Jack S.]

That is very interesting. How did they measure the power output, and can that power output be applied to the erg?

No, he did not detail how this was measured. He did footnote the study though. If you're interested I'll find that info and post so you can find the study.