Question on Speed

[becz]

You also have said Eskild Raced at R40, which is not accurate. Is this more of the same fabrication methodology? (He did Average a rate of 40, but rarely actually was at that rate, perhaps no more than 5 strokes over the entire race.)

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, he would have had to be awfully close to a 40 for most of the race to take only five strokes over that rate, and still average out to a 40.

[PaulS]

You also have said Eskild Raced at R40, which is not accurate. Is this more of the same fabrication methodology? (He did Average a rate of 40, but rarely actually was at that rate, perhaps no more than 5 strokes over the entire race.)

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, he would have had to be awfully close to a 40 for most of the race to take only five strokes over that rate, and still average out to a 40.

Yes, just a slight misunderstanding.
Nearly the entire race at R37-38.
About 5 strokes that were R40.
Some R50-R60 strokes during the start and final Sprint. (pushes the Avg Rate up)

I can't recall the exact stroke count but it was close enough to 240, with a total time close enough to 6 minutes to be described as an "average of R40", but the point being that "Average" does not mean that R40 was actualy done to any great extent.

"The man with his head in the fire and feet frozen in ice is doing fine, on Average,"

[becz]

You also have said Eskild Raced at R40, which is not accurate. Is this more of the same fabrication methodology? (He did Average a rate of 40, but rarely actually was at that rate, perhaps no more than 5 strokes over the entire race.)

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, he would have had to be awfully close to a 40 for most of the race to take only five strokes over that rate, and still average out to a 40.

Yes, just a slight misunderstanding.
Nearly the entire race at R37-38.
About 5 strokes that were R40.
Some R50-R60 strokes during the start and final Sprint. (pushes the Avg Rate up)

I can't recall the exact stroke count but it was close enough to 240, with a total time close enough to 6 minutes to be described as an "average of R40", but the point being that "Average" does not mean that R40 was actualy done to any great extent.

"The man with his head in the fire and feet frozen in ice is doing fine, on Average,"

Fair enough. I just think the point is a bit vapid. 38 is close enough to 40 to make the point John was making (not that I agree with what he's saying). So Eskild rowed most of the race at about 8.5 meters per stroke versus John's claim of an average 8.33 meters per stroke. Either one is still much less than 10.

[PaulS]

Fair enough. I just think the point is a bit vapid. 38 is close enough to 40 to make the point John was making (not that I agree with what he's saying). So Eskild rowed most of the race at about 8.5 meters per stroke versus John's claim of an average 8.33 meters per stroke. Either one is still much less than 10.

No Becz, John has come up with a potentially revolutionary formula for determining Drag Factor. That is what I am asking about.

In the mean time John has equated himself in some way to Eskild Ebbessen, to justify that formula, I'd also like to know how that came about.

This has nothing at all to do with meters per stroke when racing, so don't let that chip on your shoulder show. There was no point being made regarding that. I was simply stating some background facts that might come up in the usual course of questioning. i.e. Been there, done this, preparing the context for the newbies.

[johnlvs2run]

38 is close enough to 40 to make the point John was making (not that I agree with what he's saying). So Eskild rowed most of the race at about 8.5 meters per stroke versus John's claim of an average 8.33 meters per stroke. Either one is still much less than 10.

Ebbesen took 250 strokes in his 6:03.2, which was at 41.3 spm and 8.0 mps.

In his 6:06.4 at age 30, he took 247 strokes, which was at 40.45 spm and 8.1 mps.

In the latter race approximately 1/3 of the strokes were at a faster rating than the average, and 2/3's of the strokes were at a lower spm, i.e. 38.5 spm for the middle 2/3's, and around 46 spm for the 1/3 of the race at beginning and the finish.

[PaulS]

38 is close enough to 40 to make the point John was making (not that I agree with what he's saying). So Eskild rowed most of the race at about 8.5 meters per stroke versus John's claim of an average 8.33 meters per stroke. Either one is still much less than 10.

Ebbesen took 250 strokes in his 6:03.2, which was at 41.3 spm and 8.0 mps.

In his 6:06.4 at age 30, he took 247 strokes, which was at 40.45 spm and 8.1 mps.

In the latter race approximately 1/3 of the strokes were at a faster rating than the average, and 2/3's of the strokes were at a lower spm, i.e. 38.5 spm for the middle 2/3's, and around 46 spm for the 1/3 of the race at beginning and the finish.

Thanks for reiterating the data that has been presented before, nice to see you have come around to reality with that.

Now what does it have to do with the production of such a formula for determining Drag Factor? Or is it just some strange coincidence that yourself and EE fit the formula you came up with, in spite of being from different worlds in terms of actual performance?

How did you stack up against Shurmei or Siejkowski? They both come out with a DF of about 126 using your formula, however neither use a DF close to that (I think DF~155). So what part of your formula needs adjustment?

[johnlvs2run]

Thanks for reiterating the data that you've presented before, nice to see you sticking with reality.

You're welcome. About time you figured that out.

is it just some strange coincidence that yourself and EE fit the formula you came up with

No, it is divine intervention.

How did you stack up against Shurmei or Siejkowski?

Very well thanks.

They both come out with a DF of about 126 using your formula, however neither use a DF close to that (I think DF~155).

Be a good boy and run along and tell them that then.

what part of your formula needs adjustment?

None of it dork.

[PaulS]

Thanks for reiterating the data that you've presented before, nice to see you sticking with reality.

You're welcome. About time you figured that out.

is it just some strange coincidence that yourself and EE fit the formula you came up with

No, it is divine intervention.

How did you stack up against Shurmei or Siejkowski?

Very well thanks.

They both come out with a DF of about 126 using your formula, however neither use a DF close to that (I think DF~155).

Be a good boy and run along and tell them that then.

what part of your formula needs adjustment?

None of it dork.

Nice. But you didn't last long before resorting to childish name calling. Is that what your Life Coaching tells you to do?

What is it again that puts you in a category that would be evaluated along with Eskild? More divine inspiration?

Drink Milk, it does a body good.

[Sitwronge]

PAUL SMITH. SHOULD I DRINK MORE MILK

PLEASE HELP ME - ARE YOU A REAL COACH - HOW SOULD I TRAIN

[PaulS]

PAUL SMITH. SHOULD I DRINK MORE MILK

PLEASE HELP ME - ARE YOU A REAL COACH - HOW SOULD I TRAIN

Wow John, it's gotten easier to deal with you. Funny stuff.

BTW - It was the scrarecrow that had no brain, not the Tin Man.

[Sitwronge]

BTW - It was the scrarecrow that had no brain, not the Tin Man.

PAUL I WILL TRYT O DO WHAT YOU SAY AND HAVE NO BRAIN AND FOLLOW YOUR TRAINING

PLEASE CALL ME MY REAL NAME I AM SITWRONGE THANK YOU!

[PaulS]

BTW - It was the scrarecrow that had no brain, not the Tin Man.

PAUL I WILL TRYT O DO WHAT YOU SAY AND HAVE NO BRAIN AND FOLLOW YOUR TRAINING

PLEASE CALL ME MY REAL NAME I AM SITWRONGE THANK YOU!

As I said John, you are impressing everyone with your ability to exceed what appeared to be already achieved extreme limits of absurdity.

QED

[Sitwronge]

PAUL WHY DO YOU KEEP TALKIGN TO HIM

DON'T YOU SEE ME HERE TALKING TO YOU

HELP ME PLEASE WHERE DO YOU GET THE DRUGS THAT YOU USE AND HOW DO YOU TRINE

THANK YOU

[PaulS]

PAUL WHY DO YOU KEEP TALKIGN TO HIM

DON'T YOU SEE ME HERE TALKING TO YOU

HELP ME PLEASE WHERE DO YOU GET THE DRUGS THAT YOU USE AND HOW DO YOU TRINE

THANK YOU

Well John, it's like this: I thought it would be fun to see how long it would take to get you going (since you think you are Eskild Ebbessen), and it took nearly no time at all.

How's that Life Coaching Real Estate Motivational Speaking going?

No need to anwser, I don't really care, it's just fun to ask?

[Sean Seamus]

good gravy - Paul, where do you get the patience to deal with this ?

It is a shame to see decent topics hijacked and wrecked. Again and again. Sadly, over time, it becomes a waste to read through the forum.