Tell me my 500 meters target time

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » July 3rd, 2006, 4:44 pm

percentage of 2k pace compared to 500 meters

91.8% . . heaviestuser
89.7% . . my current pb's
89.3% . . ben rea
89.3% . . stroke_seat123

85.7% . . paul smith best times in last 5 years
unknown . . jimr

Ben Rea · Post by **Ben Rea** » July 3rd, 2006, 5:01 pm

wow, thats great information, thats actually really important, thank you.

JimR · Post by **JimR** » July 3rd, 2006, 5:05 pm

PaulS wrote:JimR,

The strength work can be accomplished much quicker than the endurance work, so when someone wants to improve their 2k, I generally would go straight to suggesting they work on their 6k.

I was slightly surprised by the reference to 6K. What does someone do to improve a 6K?

Maybe a better question would be ... does the 2x4K and 8K STM plan improve 6K performance significantly better than other simple combinations? If not, what changes to the STM plan would be advised.

I'm thinking that the questions on this topic were asked by younger rowers and they might not be ready to make the commitment to distance training. It took my daughter a couple years to work through this issue but as she did her times improved significantly. It would be good to expand on this a bit here I think ...

JimR

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » July 3rd, 2006, 5:06 pm

JimR,

What age are you and what are your times?

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » July 3rd, 2006, 5:07 pm

Ben Rea wrote:wow, thats great information, thats actually really important, thank you.

You're quite welcome, Ben.

JimR · Post by **JimR** » July 3rd, 2006, 5:12 pm

Ben Rea wrote:wow, thats great information, thats actually really important, thank you.

Ben (and others on topic here) ... I'm going out on a limb here but ...

Are you in a high school/college program? If so, are you trying to get in the top boats and or make the jump to a more competitive program?

If so, whether John's numbers are accurate or not they serve no useful purpose in guiding your training, John himself has said as much on another thread. No matter how good you might feel about your 2K time or the balance between your 500m/2K times the point is more like ...
> am I getting where I want to be
> am I getting the hardware
> am I getting the looks from coaches

So ... I would tell you PaulS has a lot of good advice to help you reach your rowing goals if they are higher than just showing up. You could do a lot worse (oh ... say John).

JimR

JimR · Post by **JimR** » July 3rd, 2006, 5:13 pm

John Rupp wrote:JimR,

What age are you and what are your times?

Younger than you, faster than you. Oops ... so is my daughter and she looks a lot better than either one of us too!

JimR

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » July 3rd, 2006, 5:19 pm

JimR,

If your times are faster than mine then why don't you post them in the rankings.

Do you have an answer for this.

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » July 3rd, 2006, 5:22 pm

MikeC' wrote:I'm ashamed that JimR keeps referring to my program and has no results to show for it. He's even gotten worse since doing it. So I am basically just staying away from him and have no clue where his daughter is either. I think she is probably hiding from him too. What I can tell you is that his times are very slow and John Rupp, even though older, is much faster. I wish that JimR would quite using my name in his posts, and would stop misquoting the Wolverine Plan. If people would follow my plan exactly as it is, which no one has done yet, then they would get better results. Anyway I was up all night last night typing this messages and I've got to get some sleep but first I'm going to do a couple more level 4 sessions at 16 strokes per minute. This is aggravating me and I don't know what the problem is but if I can get 3 years of training crammed into the next 6 months then maybe it will work itself out. For sure there is no other way to go about this. There might be other training programs out there but I have done my best to include all of the vital compenents in the Wolverine Plan and I'm not saying it will work for everyone but it has worked well for me so far and for all of the athlete's I've coached, other than the ones who haven't improved. That's all I have to say for now and please don't ask me any questions about this as I've said all of this before, just read the other 11437 endless messages that I've typed and you will be able to find the answers from that but please don't pay any attention to JimR as he is annoying the heck out of me.

Wow, Mike, thank you for sharing this information with us!

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » July 3rd, 2006, 7:30 pm

John Rupp wrote:
MikeC' wrote:I'm ashamed that JimR keeps referring to my program and has no results to show for it. He's even gotten worse since doing it. So I am basically just staying away from him and have no clue where his daughter is either. I think she is probably hiding from him too. What I can tell you is that his times are very slow and John Rupp, even though older, is much faster. I wish that JimR would quite using my name in his posts, and would stop misquoting the Wolverine Plan. If people would follow my plan exactly as it is, which no one has done yet, then they would get better results. Anyway I was up all night last night typing this messages and I've got to get some sleep but first I'm going to do a couple more level 4 sessions at 16 strokes per minute. This is aggravating me and I don't know what the problem is but if I can get 3 years of training crammed into the next 6 months then maybe it will work itself out. For sure there is no other way to go about this. There might be other training programs out there but I have done my best to include all of the vital compenents in the Wolverine Plan and I'm not saying it will work for everyone but it has worked well for me so far and for all of the athlete's I've coached, other than the ones who haven't improved. That's all I have to say for now and please don't ask me any questions about this as I've said all of this before, just read the other 11437 endless messages that I've typed and you will be able to find the answers from that but please don't pay any attention to JimR as he is annoying the heck out of me.
Wow, Mike, thank you for sharing this information with us!

FFS, STFU! It's hard to believe the level you will stoop to to insult those that are superior to you in every way. I can ignore your continual insults regarding me, since you obviously know less than nothing about me, but to slander Mike in this way is outrageous and should earn you permanent expulsion from the C2 Forums.

Sorry BobS, this was just too much to put up with from this Human Stain.

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » July 3rd, 2006, 7:43 pm

JimR wrote:
PaulS wrote:JimR,

The strength work can be accomplished much quicker than the endurance work, so when someone wants to improve their 2k, I generally would go straight to suggesting they work on their 6k.

I was slightly surprised by the reference to 6K. What does someone do to improve a 6K?

Maybe a better question would be ... does the 2x4K and 8K STM plan improve 6K performance significantly better than other simple combinations? If not, what changes to the STM plan would be advised.

I'm thinking that the questions on this topic were asked by younger rowers and they might not be ready to make the commitment to distance training. It took my daughter a couple years to work through this issue but as she did her times improved significantly. It would be good to expand on this a bit here I think ...

JimR

Sorry Jim, just about missed answering this due to dealing with an outrageous abuse of the forum.

Continuing STM will be just fine for 6k improvement. An additional workout to throw into the mix is, 8k - First 6k @ recovery day pace - 2, final 2k at 2k pace + 5 (or faster if possible, but only with negative splitting so better to stick with the single target through at least one of these before accelerating.).

Cheers.

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » July 3rd, 2006, 7:52 pm

Can we please get that iggie button soon.

It would be nice to keep out the messages by the riff raff, especially those who give bad advice and don't know anything about being healthy or exercise.

Also they have bad mouths and are ignorant.

If we can get that iggie button soon I'm sure it would help a lot.

Thanks.

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » July 3rd, 2006, 8:25 pm

John Rupp wrote:Can we please get that iggie button soon.

It would be nice to keep out the messages by the riff raff, especially those who give bad advice and don't know anything about being healthy or exercise.

Also they have bad mouths and are ignorant.

If we can get that iggie button soon I'm sure it would help a lot.

Thanks.

Wow, the Worlds shortest Autobiography.

Ben Rea · Post by **Ben Rea** » July 3rd, 2006, 8:31 pm

when i said its impoant. i meant that its nice to nice. Jim, i am concentrating on that stuff. and yes, i am in highschool

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » July 3rd, 2006, 8:33 pm

PaulS wrote:to slander Mike

Wow another false accusation and mispublication by PaulS.

PaulS wrote:should earn you permanent expulsion from the C2 Forums.

You should be banned from the forums then, as you have made many false statements and misquotations about me and continue to make such mispublications JimR also has misquoted me many times and continues to do it. Thus based on your message today, both of you should be banned from the forums.

Actually why don't you just ban yourself. That will make it easier for everyone.