When is it time to take a day off?

[Tim huges]

Nomatter what, its doping ofcourse. Test levels don,t decline very rapidly. They do when you are unhealthy etc.
I have noting against doping, feel free, but in sports its unfair. If one starts using it, do not post your results in tge rankings, thats not fair play.
All those strongman posting c2 records are also fake. In those sports ped use is more or less accepted, thats fine, but stay out of natural sports.

Thats fair enough, i may not even feel the need when it comes to being that age...it is a good few years away but i respect your view. And it would be for the health benefits rather than erg times.

Im not a steroid advocate but they are widespread in ALL sport, sad but true.

[Anth_F]

Nomatter what, its doping ofcourse. Test levels don,t decline very rapidly. They do when you are unhealthy etc.
I have noting against doping, feel free, but in sports its unfair. If one starts using it, do not post your results in tge rankings, thats not fair play.
All those strongman posting c2 records are also fake. In those sports ped use is more or less accepted, thats fine, but stay out of natural sports.

LOL!!

I never had any plans to compete in the rowing olympics I've never ranked a single erg session ever anyway so no worries on that front either

[Gammmmo]

@Anth - thanks for sharing. Did you get your T tested prior to getting your tablets? I see those tablets seem to be well known alleged T boosters rather than exogenous T per se, so they're not as "full on" as TRT. I ask though because although I personally haven't gotten mine tested I think I've said elsewhere I am curious especially as a good friend of mine (runner, ex racing cyclist) is looking at this after going to the docs. He works nights which is often said to be very bad for testosterone and is getting low T "symptoms". I've become very aware of what can be done with diet, sleep, lifestyle in order to maximise T but I am still curious as to what my T levels are.

@Tim - also thanks for sharing. I take zinc most days but was not aware the compound form with picolanate was more efficacious.

[Anth_F]

@Anth - thanks for sharing. Did you get your T tested prior to getting your tablets? I see those tablets seem to be well known alleged T boosters rather than exogenous T per se, so they're not as "full on" as TRT. I ask though because although I personally haven't gotten mine tested I think I've said elsewhere I am curious especially as a good friend of mine (runner, ex racing cyclist) is looking at this after going to the docs. He works nights which is often said to be very bad for testosterone and is getting low T "symptoms". I've become very aware of what can be done with diet, sleep, lifestyle in order to maximise T but I am still curious as to what my T levels are.

Hi Paul, no i never had it checked. I'm a member of Primal Living, which caters for all kinds of stuff, from beauty products to nutrition supplements. They have just been getting these tablets into stock as part of their pre + post workout supplement range. I currently take their Muscle supplement, and Gym Buddy supplement, and i also use their own Whey Protein, so it seemed a no brainer to start using this Testo Pro as well. They don't use any crap in their products, it's all natural ingredients... and the prices are ridiculously cheap. Even cheaper when you sign up to their monthly subscriptions.

[Gammmmo]

@Anth - thanks for sharing. Did you get your T tested prior to getting your tablets? I see those tablets seem to be well known alleged T boosters rather than exogenous T per se, so they're not as "full on" as TRT. I ask though because although I personally haven't gotten mine tested I think I've said elsewhere I am curious especially as a good friend of mine (runner, ex racing cyclist) is looking at this after going to the docs. He works nights which is often said to be very bad for testosterone and is getting low T "symptoms". I've become very aware of what can be done with diet, sleep, lifestyle in order to maximise T but I am still curious as to what my T levels are.

Hi Paul, no i never had it checked. I'm a member of Primal Living, which caters for all kinds of stuff, from beauty products to nutrition supplements. They have just been getting these tablets into stock as part of their pre + post workout supplement range. I currently take their Muscle supplement, and Gym Buddy supplement, and i also use their own Whey Protein, so it seemed a no brainer to start using this Testo Pro as well. They don't use any crap in their products, it's all natural ingredients... and the prices are ridiculously cheap. Even cheaper when you sign up to their monthly subscriptions.

Are you on commission?
Even if (and I know you probably wouldn't as that isn't what you're about on here) you did want to log ergo scores I don't think anything in those tabs would be classed as a PED anyway. Not sure if you knew that. TRT different story. Some people won't be awae that increased T often means a more favourable red blood cell profile giving endurance gains.

[Anth_F]

Are you on commission?
Even if (and I know you probably wouldn't as that isn't what you're about on here) you did want to log ergo scores I don't think anything in those tabs would be classed as a PED anyway. Not sure if you knew that. TRT different story.

Yeah, i'm not interested in the rankings. I'm never going to be fast enough on the erg to make it to what i would deem as times worth ranking

It's all about the personal workout for me, and these supplements seem to be the right choice. And like i say, for what they are costing makes it a no brainer decision tbh.

I did know that, hence why i LOL'd @ Henry earlier.

[Tim huges]

@gammmmo
The curious thing about zinc is that it doesnt increase test, per say. But if you are deficient it will bring test levels back to normal levels. Test boosters are very dubious from what i have read and have largely been debunked. As you say, far more important factors increase test such as lifting weights, restful sleep and stress reduction. Id certainly suggest a trip to the docs if you are concerned as there may be other stuff going on...i got myself tested a few years ago and it was in the lower end of the normal range so no further treatment was needed, other than the usual patronising advice about smoking and drinking etc. As far as im aware TRT would only put someone in the normal range and would only be prescribed if it were very low due to a health complaint. As far as im aware, a lack of morning erections is a good sign of low test levels.

[Anth_F]

I reckon it's my poor sleep thats causing mine to be low. I do all the things you should be doing to increase T levels, aside from indulging in some beerzzz now and then.

[Tim huges]

I reckon it's my poor sleep thats causing mine to be low. I do all the things you should be doing to increase T levels, aside from indulging in some beerzzz now and then.

Yeah but you gotta live a little or else whats the point?! Same for me Anth, i dont lift as much as i want to due to a shoulder injury and getting 5hrs most nights isnt great for me...so i guess the "low end of normal" is to be expected for me.

[Gammmmo]

As far as im aware, a lack of morning erections is a good sign of low test levels.

or....a lack of abstinence

(true)

[Anth_F]

I reckon it's my poor sleep thats causing mine to be low. I do all the things you should be doing to increase T levels, aside from indulging in some beerzzz now and then.

Yeah but you gotta live a little or else whats the point?! Same for me Anth, i dont lift as much as i want to due to a shoulder injury and getting 5hrs most nights isnt great for me...so i guess the "low end of normal" is to be expected for me.

Too right! You live once, then what? Same for me mate. I've been getting about 5 hrs a night avg this week... though this bloody heats not helping. Waking up and feeling like crap the last couple mornings.

[Tim huges]

Im glad its not just me suffering! My recovery has been shot to pieces this week...legs feel like they're made of lead. Not really looking forward to the gym tomorrow...