Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session
Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session
For a crew all with the same size, weight and age, more or less, it'll likely be a good idea if drag is the same for all too. Afloat it will be, even though what counts is gearing, not drag, so might as well get used to it. On the other hand ergers can be LW grandmothers or VHW rugby players or anywhere in between.
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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session
There was just one indoor rowing champs that had a prescriptive drag. 99.999% of competitions let you set the drag you want. The racing software displays the drag when it's in "Ready to Warm-up" mode.Oarsome Fitness wrote:I'm sure that the indoor championships and all official records have to be done at that drag too.
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No, that's not the case, in all Championship races you can set the drag wherever you like.Oarsome Fitness wrote:I'm sure that the indoor championships and all official records have to be done at that drag too.
Cyclists don't get told what gears to use in a race so why should ergers have to use a set drag factor, that would not make sense at all.
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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session
Proof if ever needed that one drag factor is not 'better' than another... and just putting it on 10 is definitely not faster.Rod wrote:No, that's not the case, in all Championship races you can set the drag wherever you like.Oarsome Fitness wrote:I'm sure that the indoor championships and all official records have to be done at that drag too.
Cyclists don't get told what gears to use in a race so why should ergers have to use a set drag factor, that would not make sense at all.
Curious, are drag factors recorded with all the other stats from comps like crash-b's? Would be interesting to see the range of drag factors that people choose to use and if there is any correlation to scores etc.
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Started rowing Feb 2016
500m 1:33.2
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Started rowing Feb 2016
500m 1:33.2
2000m 6:57.4
5000m 18:47.6
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Not that I know, never seen it.aussieluke wrote:Proof if ever needed that one drag factor is not 'better' than another... and just putting it on 10 is definitely not faster.Rod wrote:No, that's not the case, in all Championship races you can set the drag wherever you like.Oarsome Fitness wrote:I'm sure that the indoor championships and all official records have to be done at that drag too.
Cyclists don't get told what gears to use in a race so why should ergers have to use a set drag factor, that would not make sense at all.
Curious, are drag factors recorded with all the other stats from comps like crash-b's? Would be interesting to see the range of drag factors that people choose to use and if there is any correlation to scores etc.
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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session
They are not, and there isn't strong correlation between drag factor and erg score.aussieluke wrote:Curious, are drag factors recorded with all the other stats from comps like crash-b's? Would be interesting to see the range of drag factors that people choose to use and if there is any correlation to scores etc.
Azou, one of two LW men to go sub 6:00, ergs his 2k at a drag of 160. Waddell is said to have rowed his WR 2k at a drag of 90. It's all about what works for you and what you're comfortable with.
Edit: Typed 6:10 instead of 6:00.
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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session
Yeah I totally get that just thought it would be interesting to see.ArmandoChavezUNC wrote:They are not, and there isn't strong correlation between drag factor and erg score.aussieluke wrote:Curious, are drag factors recorded with all the other stats from comps like crash-b's? Would be interesting to see the range of drag factors that people choose to use and if there is any correlation to scores etc.
Azou, one of two LW men to go sub 6:10, ergs his 2k at a drag of 160. Waddell is said to have rowed his WR 2k at a drag of 90. It's all about what works for you and what you're comfortable with.
And a great way of explaining why no one ever needs to just put it on 10 !
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Started rowing Feb 2016
500m 1:33.2
2000m 6:57.4
5000m 18:47.6
Started rowing Feb 2016
500m 1:33.2
2000m 6:57.4
5000m 18:47.6
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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session
Thats not true, some people do, in general otw guys use a modest drag, non rowers not seldom a bit higher. Drag is displayed during racing on your machine. Never see it back in results, but would be strange that it,s not recorded anywhere.aussieluke wrote:Yeah I totally get that just thought it would be interesting to see.ArmandoChavezUNC wrote:They are not, and there isn't strong correlation between drag factor and erg score.aussieluke wrote:Curious, are drag factors recorded with all the other stats from comps like crash-b's? Would be interesting to see the range of drag factors that people choose to use and if there is any correlation to scores etc.
Azou, one of two LW men to go sub 6:10, ergs his 2k at a drag of 160. Waddell is said to have rowed his WR 2k at a drag of 90. It's all about what works for you and what you're comfortable with.
And a great way of explaining why no one ever needs to just put it on 10 !
Rating is often displayed afterwards, have seen it even one number after the ,
That 6.10 should read 6.00. Typo
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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session
Yes, thanks for catching that!hjs wrote:That 6.10 should read 6.00. Typo
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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session
Drag is ONLY displayed when the race software is in "OK to warm-up" mode. It doesn't get displayed or recorded during the race.hjs wrote: Thats not true, some people do, in general otw guys use a modest drag, non rowers not seldom a bit higher. Drag is displayed during racing on your machine. Never see it back in results, but would be strange that it,s not recorded anywhere.
Rating is often displayed afterwards, have seen it even one number after the ,
That 6.10 should read 6.00. Typo
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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session
Ok, so anwser is no dragnumbers are known for racing.Citroen wrote:Drag is ONLY displayed when the race software is in "OK to warm-up" mode. It doesn't get displayed or recorded during the race.hjs wrote: Thats not true, some people do, in general otw guys use a modest drag, non rowers not seldom a bit higher. Drag is displayed during racing on your machine. Never see it back in results, but would be strange that it,s not recorded anywhere.
Rating is often displayed afterwards, have seen it even one number after the ,
That 6.10 should read 6.00. Typo
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Knew you knew.ArmandoChavezUNC wrote:Yes, thanks for catching that!hjs wrote:That 6.10 should read 6.00. Typo
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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session
hmm... testing some advice from Eddie F. as part of the EF Marathon Plan.
I won't post his comments or reasoning here without his permission - but it will be published soon in the new revised Marathon Plan.
Current DF 115 - in the middle of the reccomended band (110-120) for all distances....
I won't post his comments or reasoning here without his permission - but it will be published soon in the new revised Marathon Plan.
Current DF 115 - in the middle of the reccomended band (110-120) for all distances....
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