The Two Types of Training

Nosmo · Post by **Nosmo** » March 2nd, 2010, 6:28 pm

mikvan52 wrote:Trying to read ranger-blather such as has been posted today is like watching paint dry....

It seems we're in the typical seasonal pattern here:

#1 ranger posts start increasing
#2 they become more and more vapid
#3 ranger moves away from a focus on getting any kind of record
#4 a shift in his goals follows shortly thereafter
......

#5 the season ends and everyone ignores ranger for 8 months.

After Saturday there will be a big decrease in interest. This is the final race of the season and the climax of the soap opera. He will try to drag it out and keep people interested but there is not much chance in seeing another result so there is not much entertainment value left and must of us will go away.

JohnBove · Post by **JohnBove** » March 2nd, 2010, 6:49 pm

wgr wrote:becz wrote:

I think it's time to once again consider whether the forum would be a better place without Ranger. And by better I'm not referring to anything regarding entertainment. I can live with the ridiculous bravado, especially given his spectacular failure with respect to meeting his own expectations. But when he time and again belittles others and posts profanity when challenged I thinks it's time to clean house. It wasn't due to simple annoyance that he was banned from the UK forum, it was for the same reasons that we see occurring here. While Ranger's rowing hasn't improved over the course of the past 5 years, neither has his behavior, and I think it makes the forum a lesser place to contribute to. This isn't about censorship, it's about what the community wants this place to be. Let him go start a blog somewhere if he so chooses, something that only he has control over (which it would seem would suit him just fine), but let's end the ridculousness here. Anyone who's truly interested in continuing the madness can follow him wherever he lands.
becz,

Who are you? Who invited you here? to speak for us?

This is a thread started by Ranger to describe his Odyssey to 6:16. The views here are astronomical and completely voluntary. Many enjoy reading the posts and rejoinders.

Ranger is sharing his self-talk describing what he and others must do to take their erging to the next level. I've learned a lot about erging here, not just from Ranger but from others who have generously offered their knowledge and training experience. The thread has attracted a huge following of scribes, scrutineers, naysayers and overly-sensitive cheapseats following his every statement and posting responses and repartees. Many are excellent, many are vacuous and many have been nastier than deserved. Some of the latter have attracted a suitable response from Ranger. So what?

You would have to admit that Ranger has judiciously ignored much of the provocation and continued his self-talk in a generally positive way.

Your opinion and your case against Ranger is unsolicited, prejudiced, silly and one sided. You judge him guilty by totally ignoring the provocations.

If you long for the genteelness and civility of the UK forum, you are welcome to attend there and ignore this thread. Your presence here, or anyone's for that matter, is not compulsory.

By the way, March Madness starts in a couple of hours, so hurry off.

Just saw this. Interesting how you tell becz what he is and is not welcome to write, saying it in the name of freedom to write what you want. But hey -- even dullards have opinions and the right to express them.

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » March 2nd, 2010, 6:55 pm

Sep 09, 2003
2x 7k warmup / 2:15 / 28spm
500m / 2:10.4 / 12spm / 19.2mps / 13.15spi
500m / 1:48.6 / 36spm / 7.7mps
500m / 1:45.2 / 40spm / 7.1mps
500m / 1:39.6 PB / 46spm/ 6.6mps / 7.5spm

http://www.machars.net/

NavigationHazard · Post by **NavigationHazard** » March 2nd, 2010, 6:55 pm

Technically, the indoor season does not end on March 6. There are two different NY races on March 13 (Marist U and Syosset LI).

whp4 · Post by **whp4** » March 2nd, 2010, 6:58 pm

ranger wrote:
whp4 wrote:he expects us to believe..
I don't expect you to believe anything.

Believe whatever you want.

You don't have anything to do with it.

You're just a spectator.

Watch the show.

The popcorn is hot.

The hot dogs are mustardy.

Enjoy!

I'll either do it or not.

What will it have to do with you?

You can just flip the channel and take in some other show, if you get bored with this one.

Nay-doers and nay-sayers are nobodies.

ranger

I'm a nay-sayer, and you're a nay-doer. I've been tuning in to watch your (no)show since before your WR was wiped from the record books. Up until your shameful DNS at BIRC, I actually thought you might have something to teach some of us, but now the wisdom of the passing years has proven that your role in this drama is to be that of the example of what not to do, and chief clown. Too bad you didn't get some professional help for your daddy issues; overcoming them would no doubt have made it possible for you to accept coaching and improvement, and the world wouldn't be laughing at you now.

aharmer · Post by **aharmer** » March 2nd, 2010, 6:59 pm

"I do distance rowing at 11 SPI; sprints, at 13 SPI; then racing, at 12 SPI."

You've race a couple times this year...am I mistaken or were they nowhere near 12 SPI? What is so hard about posting the truth, especially when the truth is right in front of everybody to see?

Steve G · Post by **Steve G** » March 2nd, 2010, 7:06 pm

aharmer wrote:"I do distance rowing at 11 SPI; sprints, at 13 SPI; then racing, at 12 SPI."

You've race a couple times this year...am I mistaken or were they nowhere near 12 SPI? What is so hard about posting the truth, especially when the truth is right in front of everybody to see?

We havent seen any of his races which actually show any stroke data, he doesnt seem to know (or want to know) any splits either!
Reckon his SPI is pretty puny!

ranger · Post by **ranger** » March 2nd, 2010, 8:13 pm

Even with a light stroke (11 SPI), at 32 spm, I go 1:40.

If I can do this for 5K, as I think I can, that will be 16:40, 45 seconds faster than any 60s lwt has ever done the distance, and over a minute faster than Mike VB, even faster than Rod Freed did the distance as a 50s lwt.

If I can do 32 spm OTW for 5K, which I think I can, I will do 2:00 pace, 20:00 for 5K, 19:20 for 3 miles.

That's good enough to win the HOTC.

If I can pull through my 2K at 32 spm on Saturday, I'll row sub-6:30 on the erg, 10 seconds under the 55s lwt WR, as much as 15 seconds under the 60s lwt WR.

Training is coming along perfectly.

My targets are coming into view.

I am moving into hard sharpening and distance trials.

I usually get about a dozen seconds over 2K from two months or so of hard sharpening and distance trials.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » March 2nd, 2010, 8:14 pm

aharmer wrote: You've race a couple times this year

On the erg, I race about three times as much as any of my immediate competition.

This year, Rocket Roy isn't racing at all.

This year, Mike VB raced twice.

Last year, Mike raced once, as did Roy.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » March 2nd, 2010, 8:17 pm

John Bove wrote:even dullards have opinions and the right to express them.

Indeed, as you have been demonstrating here for years.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » March 2nd, 2010, 8:19 pm

John Rupp wrote:Sep 09, 2003

500m / 2:10.4 / 12spm / 19.2mps / 13.15spi

Yep.

There it is.

Then all you have to do is hold the stroking power constant, lift the rate to 46 spm, and you will be doing 8 MPS at 1:24.

63 strokes?

Anyway.

That's how _I_ will do 500m.

To each his own, I guess.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » March 2nd, 2010, 8:25 pm

nosmo wrote:This is the final race of the season

Sure, but it is not the end of the indoor rowing season.

That is April 30th.

And as I have made entirely clear, I am not training for any particular race.

I am just training to be the best I can be.

I am in the final stages of that training now.

I will keep training as I am now, at 32 spm and 11 SPI and 35 spm and 13 SPI, together with a two-hour bike ride at 25 spm, for at least the next two months, until the end of the 2010 indoor rowing season.

Over that time, I will race all of the distances repeatedly, including 2K, and establish a new set of pbs.

My cross-training will keep me at weight.

So I'll do the pbs IND_V and enter them in the lightweight rankings.

At the moment, my 2K is about two seconds per 500m beyond my closest competition.

After Saturday, my hope is that this gap will be about five seconds per 500m.

By the end of April, this gap will be...

Well, I suppose we'll have to wait and see.

Racing doesn't determine training.

Training determines racing.

The priorities (and logic) of those who write on this forum are upside down.

That's why no one improves, and almost everyone gets stale, sick, injured, discouraged, and so, sooner than later, just quits.

So it goes.

The world is nutty.

The nay-sayers here are just stupid.

When it comes to training, they don't know their ass from their elbow, and their racing shows it.

If you are interested, keep your eyes on this for the next two months.

RANKING RESULTS 2010
Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (55–59) | Current 2010 Season

You are number 1 of 92

Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 IND
1 Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 6:47.6 IND_V
2 Jonathan Rich 56 Winter Park FL USA 6:52.3 RACE
3 Eric Winterbottom 58 Bodytalk GBR 7:01.9 RACE
4 Gary Passler 55 amesbury ma USA 7:05.0 RACE
5 David Sutkowy 56 manlius NY USA 7:05.4 RACE
5 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
7 ohn Busk 56 Slangerup DEN 7:07.6 IND
8 Ernest Cook 55 Brookline MA USA 7:08.3 RACE
9 Ross Logan 55 AUS 7:09.5 RACE
10 Email this rower Paul Ferguson 56 Melbourne VIC AUS 7:11.8 RACE

ranger

aharmer · Post by **aharmer** » March 2nd, 2010, 8:31 pm

ranger wrote:
aharmer wrote: You've race a couple times this year
On the erg, I race about three times as much as any of my immediate competition.

This year, Rocket Roy isn't racing at all.

This year, Mike VB raced twice.

Last year, Mike raced once.

ranger

My post had nothing to do with Roy, Mike or your racing frequency. I asked why you claim to race at 12 SPI when you clearly don't. This isn't opinion, it's simple arithmetic. What the hell do Roy and Mike have to do with that post???? I'm so confused by your responses, I can't get myself to leave and ignore the thread:) I'll be disappointed if and when it ends.

whp4 · Post by **whp4** » March 2nd, 2010, 8:31 pm

ranger wrote:
aharmer wrote:"I do distance rowing at 11 SPI; sprints, at 13 SPI; then racing, at 12 SPI."

You've race a couple times this year...am I mistaken or were they nowhere near 12 SPI? What is so hard about posting the truth, especially when the truth is right in front of everybody to see?
On the erg, I race about three times as much as any of my immediate competition.

Well, you may register for about three times as many races, but you certainly don't finish three times as many races

And you are clearly afraid to race anywhere that reports detailed results that would disprove your wild claims about stroking power, etc.

ranger wrote: Even with a light stroke, at 32 spm, I will go 1:40.

For any readers joining us this late in the broadcast, that statement should be read as:

Even with a light stroke, at 32 spm, I will go 1:40 before my first handle down.

ranger wrote: If I can do 32 spm OTW for 5K, which I think I can, I will do 2:00, or 20:00 for 5K, or 19:20 for 3 miles.

That's good enough to win the HOTC.

If all that it takes to win is raw speed, that might be the case, if we're generous and suppose that you can indeed hold that pace (unlikely). But you have no more chance of winning the HOTC than your typical fledgling bike racer has of winning a criterium downtown even though they may be very fast when riding by themselves down an arrow-straight country road.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » March 2nd, 2010, 8:37 pm

NavigationHazard wrote:Technically, the indoor season does not end on March 6. There are two different NY races on March 13 (Marist U and Syosset LI).

Yes.

Perhaps I'll get out to one of these, too.

John Butsch just dropped me a note.

I did indeed win $200 or so from the Chicago venue for my CIRC championship record last Saturday.

He is organizing results from CIRC to determine exactly how much.

Perhaps I could use that to fund a trip out to a NY race in the second week of March.

ranger