Ranger's training thread

[PaulH]

I pull 13 SPI @ 120 df., just rowing naturally.

No you don't.

[Byron Drachman]

June 12, 2008: My stroke is now a dream to use, entirely relaxed. –snip--so my erging and OTW rowing have merged perfectly. My stroke is the same both OTW and off.

July 16, 2008: My future is indeed with OTW rowing. It's a blast. I'll especially enjoy traveling around to different OTW racing venues, as I enjoyed traveling around to the different racing venues as a marathon runner and road racer. --snip--


June 27, 2010: given that I was just out in my Fluid, doing 1:56 @ 31 spm. No one my age is rowing any better, including Dietz and Spousta, who, between them, have won the Head of the Charles a couple of dozen times.

June 27, 2010: No need for Craftsbury, if I am rowing this well. No one my age is rowing any better.

Feb 7, 2011: I will be racing--both OTErg in the winter and OTW in the spring, summer, and fall--for the rest of my life.

Did you see the entries for the masters (C-J) event in The 9th Annual Midwest Masters Sprints June 18, Columbus, Ohio? There is someone your age (+1) entered. I don't suppose you are doing that regatta. You have as much chance of winning that event as I have of beating LeBron James in a one-on-one basketball game.

Cue for I'll be in Door County and I don't actually travel to regattas--my summer OTW racing is all virtual.

[Fred]

So since you are doing 10k OTE + 10k OTW per day, interval sessions at ~2:00 average pace (OTE), yes, there are several other 60s lightweights doing that.

Nope.
Not at 1:44 @ 26 spm (12 SPI) and a UT1 HR.
For example, that would be 10 x 1K (:30 rest), 1:44 @ 26 spm (12 SPI) at UT1.
No other 60s lwt can even row 1K, 1:44 @ 26 spm (26 spm), flat out, at AN.

Yep

10x1k r30sec at 3:28 (1:44 average pace).

you (a 6:5x LW 2k person in a good year) might be able to do two, you would never finish the third.

Brian Bailey, when he was in 6:42 shape could probably have done 4 or 5.

Paul Hendershott could have done 10 when he was in 6:23 shape.

Mind you, I'm talking about 3:28 1k's.. not some 4 min 1k where you "rowed a lot of the 1k at 1:44 so that should count as a 3:28"

[ranger]

You have as much chance of winning that event as I have of beating LeBron James in a one-on-one basketball game.

Indeed.

Because I am not entered.

I will be in Door County, working on that 5K, 1:58 @ 30 spm.

ranger

[ranger]

There is someone your age (+1) entered

Someone my age can row?

Whodathunkit



Can he find his bifocals and dentures?

I hope he remembers to take his cialis and lipitor before backing into the stake boat.

Does the AARP approve?

ranger

[ranger]

I pull 13 SPI @ 120 df., just rowing naturally.

No you don't.

Yes, I do.

I have been pulling 13 SPI for years and years now.

The sub-6:30 2K at 12 SPI back in 2006 demonstrates this, although that row was at high drag.

Now that I row at low drag, I have _more_ stroking power.

In rowing, stroking power comes from preparation, length, quickness, timing, sequencing, angles of leverage, etc.

All of these things are encouraged and enabled by low drag.

ranger

[mikvan52]

You have as much chance of winning that event as I have of beating LeBron James in a one-on-one basketball game.

I will be in Door County, working on that 5K, 1:58 @ 30 spm.

part of the work of sculling at such paces/rates (1:58 @ 30) is to time trial in race conditions...
Do you have a goal of actually finishing a 5k OTW while sculling against competitors this summer?

I assume you don't.
Such a plan will not carry you far at all.

Why are you hiding?

[ThatMoos3Guy]

So Rich, what are your goals after you get a 6:16? National team selection for the light 8 is coming up. If you pulled a 6:16 surely you'd have a shot at that, right? Maybe even the Olympics!

[PaulH]

I pull 13 SPI @ 120 df., just rowing naturally.

No you don't.

Yes, I do.

I have been pulling 13 SPI for years and years now.

Well I doubt that you've been pulling 13 SPI for years and years, but I'm certain that you don't do it naturally. That's nothing to be ashamed of, unlike the bragging that you can.

[ranger]

part of the work of sculling at such paces/rates (1:58 @ 30) is to time trial in race conditions...
Do you have a goal of actually finishing a 5k OTW while sculling against competitors this summer?

I assume you don't.
Such a plan will not carry you far at all.

A plan for racing?

Sure.

If I get so that I am doing a lot of 5Ks @ 1:58, I'll get to some head races and try it out there.

First, I'll need to be doing it in training, though.

ranger

[ranger]

So Rich, what are your goals after you get a 6:16? National team selection for the light 8 is coming up. If you pulled a 6:16 surely you'd have a shot at that, right? Maybe even the Olympics!

Yea.

The Olympics would be great.

Then again, I would want to see who is trying out for the team.

I wouldn't want to row with just anybody.



I would need some help if we are going to win gold.



ranger

[ranger]

I am settling into a nice, even 1:45 @ 25 spm (12 SPI) in my marathon training.

Delighted with that.

Back in 2002-2003, I used to row a lot at 25 spm, too, but at 1:52 (10 SPI).

I also like 25 spm OTW.

This summer, I would like to get to a nice 2:05 @ 25 spm OTW for long rows (20K, etc.) to match the 1:45 @ 25 spm I am doing in my distance rowing OTErg.

I've really got my catch timing down now.

BTW, as I thought, 1:46 @ 20 spm (14.5 SPI) is now workable at 120 df.

I no longer have to pump up the drag to get enough stroking power.

I now get my stroking power with length, legs, and quickness rather than upper body strength.

30'r20 @ 1:46 predicts a 6:16 2K.

1:46 for 30min is _waaay_ faster than any 60s lwt has ever rowed, free rate.

The 60s lwt 30min WR is 1:49.

The 60s lwt 60min WR is 1:52.

"Double the d, add 3."

ranger

[ranger]

I'm certain that you don't do it naturally.

Then you're "certainly" wrong.

No one can pull a sub-6:30 2K at 12 SPI, without even preparing for it, if 13 SPI isn't just a natural pull.

Now that I row at 120 df., when I pull 6:16 for 2K, I might indeed do it right at 10 MPS, 1:34 @ 32 (13 SPI).

ranger

[PaulH]

I've really got my catch timing down now.

I don't know whether you have or not, but neither do you - you've demonstrated repeatedly that you're unable to tell when you've achieved an objective that has any element of subjectivity in it, so there's no reason to believe you've achieved this.

[PaulH]

No one can pull a sub-6:30 2K at 12 SPI, without even preparing for it, if 13 SPI isn't just a natural pull.

There's no evidence for this.

Now that I row at 120 df., when I pull 6:16 for 2K, I might indeed do it right at 10 MPS, 1:34 @ 32 (13 SPI).

Oh, what a coincidence, no evidence of this either.