6:28 2K

[leadville]

I attempted to enter this forum without bias, giving you the benefit of the doubt, contributing helpfully and without rancor.

I now know why you have the reputation you do.

The good thing is the vast majority of people involved in rowing are completely unlike you - self-absorbed, preening, arrogant and stunningly ignorant of the basics of exercise physiology.

Sweat on in your basement. No one cares.

[ranger]

Roy is training for his cycling, you can read what he does in his blog. In full detail.

No, I can't.

ranger

Yes you can! , you are one mouse click away. You have posted on the uk forum very recently, so you are able to have a look.

I am loosing track of all the lies you are telling

Roy has banned me from his blog.

I am a "foe."

ranger

[chgoss]

When is you first race Dangy? or will you stretch that to 2011 Laughing

My first regatta is Jan. 30th at Indianapolis.

I am getting is pretty good shape for it, I think.

My cross-training is coming along well.

I have been doing distance rowing for several months.

And 'll try to get as many distance trials and other sharpening sessions in as I can over the next month.

ranger

You're starting sharpening before finishing distance rowing... Lack of discipline..

I won't start hard sharpening (organized intervals, by the clock, 2K predictors) until I pull a lwt 6:28 in an at-home 2K trial.

6:28 is my lwt 2K pb, exactly 12 seconds from my 2K target.

ranger

[ranger]

f Mike VB has a much lower HR it is very probably due to a high and consistent training load which has produced - among other results - an enlarged left ventricle.

From what I had read about his erging (times, HRs, etc.), it appears that Mike and I row the same paces at just about the same HRs.

For instance, we might both row a 5K, 1:47 @ 28 spm, with a HR of 150 bpm.

But that is 90% of max for him, AT, but only 75% max for me, low UT1.

I can row a FM at 75% HRR.

ranger

[ranger]

I attempted to enter this forum without bias, giving you the benefit of the doubt, contributing helpfully and without rancor.

Trolls are hilarious.

ranger

[ranger]

I repeat; when and where have you raced OTW, and what were the results. You claim to have learned how to row well, but to date all I can see is you've been able to turn in some pretty impressive results on the erg. You can sit on a stable machine indoors and work at a high level and produce good erg scores.

I admit: I am still a novice OTW.

But I am getting better each year.

No rush with this.

I am doing just fine.

I will enter some races this coming year and we can see how things go.

No rush with that, either.

ranger

[ranger]

to date all I can see is you've been able to turn in some pretty impressive results on the erg

Impressive 2K times?

No, actually, I haven't tried yet--fully trained and rowing well.

I will try for the first time this winter.

Should be fun.

My goal: a lighweight 6:16

I have done a lwt 6:28, but that was before I knew how to row (or train for rowing).

ranger

[mikvan52]

No 100% autodidactic scullers have ever won the Head of the Charles

So you are saying this:

Every first is always a first?

No, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying that:

Those who have coaching have such an advantage that they will always prevail in high level championship contests on the water. IOW: The winner of every HOCR will ALWAYS have been coached.

I'm not singling you out to say you can't be a strong rower (OTW).
I'm saying that if you don't get coached you will never win a major contest.

Time runs out for E, F, G (55+ years and beyond) scullers Rich... You decide. I'm not telling you what to do.

Case study: Three years ago I could erg 6:47 for 2k and could not win OTW
Recently I could erg 6:45 and win in the single too. I won Masters Nationals in August '09 (Lightweight and Heavyweight divisions of the 55-59 1x)


IOW: no major change on the erg over 2k... 10 sec faster on the water at 1k... The difference for me was that I got excellent coaching and spent as much time as I could in a boat.

Sorry that this seems tautological to you.

Why don't you come up to The Chieftain this coming summer and get coached by Buzz Congram... he's offering lesson to people like us?

[hjs]

No, I can't.

ranger

Yes you can! , you are one mouse click away. You have posted on the uk forum very recently, so you are able to have a look.

I am loosing track of all the lies you are telling

Roy has banned me from his blog.

I am a "foe."

ranger

Nonsens, you can always have a look if you want too. Maybe not from your home pc.
But I can tell you he won,t be at Boston this year.

[Byron Drachman]

Hi Leadville,
I can tell from your postings that you know a lot about rowing. For a little more insight to why Ranger rejects your advice, as well as just about any other advice from others offered over the years, here are a few precious quotes that I have saved. Depending on your point of view, they can seen as humorous, typical of a troll, or else as sad signs of a personality disorder:

Fri, Sept 22, 2006:
Quote:
What prevents him from rowing a continuous HM or FM is his own fear of finding out that he is not as good as he keeps thinking that he is.

No. Just the opposite.
I don't want to lose my motivation by finding out how good I really am. It is better to think that you have only modest abilities--and then be pleasantly surprised when you find out you are _much_ better than you thought you were.
That's what has been happening lately. My training has succeeded beyond my wildest dreams. I can't believe what I am seeing out there each day. Quite a surprise.

Sun. Sept 24, 2006:
I have quite a bit of talent for rowing. I can do a prodigious amount of work and love doing it. And I know--as well as anyone I have ever run into--how to train myself to the limits of my potential in an individual sport.

Sept 25, 2006:
I am the best erger for my age and weight in the world.

Jan 20, 2007:
Because I have been so consistently successful, I haven't had much of an opportunity to learn from my own failures.

March 1, 2007:
BTW, the sprackback stroke at 135 df. that I have now, I think, is one of the great strokes in the history of the sport.

April 2, 2008: The rowing is so good, no matter what I do, it is off the charts.

January 12, 2009: My stroke now has the same power and versatility as the strokes of the great Danish lightweights.

[ranger]

I attempted to enter this forum without bias, giving you the benefit of the doubt, contributing helpfully and without rancor.

I now know why you have the reputation you do.

The good thing is the vast majority of people involved in rowing are completely unlike you - self-absorbed, preening, arrogant and stunningly ignorant of the basics of exercise physiology.

Sweat on in your basement. No one cares.

Just the point.

I _don't_ just sweat in my basement.

I race on the erg, openly, at race venues, about five times as frequently as my immediate competition.

Weather permitting, I row every day OTW in the spring, summer, and fall.

Next year, I will start racing OTW, both sprint races and head races.

Two years from this fall, when I am 60, I will enter the HOCR.

ranger

[ranger]

Time runs out for E, F, G (55+ years and beyond) scullers

Your pat generalizations are funny.

Rules are made to be broken.

It happens all the time.

Sure, you aren't improving on the erg.

But what if _I_ do--significantly?

What if my advantage over you on the erg becomes 15 seconds over 1K, 30 seconds over 2K, a minute over 5K, but our weight is about the same?

Interesting situation OTW.

I am getting better and better OTW.

I suppose the only question is: How good can I get?

ranger

[ranger]

Three years ago I could erg 6:47 for 2k and could not win OTW

Sorry to say so, but I don't consider 6:47 on the erg to be very distinguished.

What if you could do 6:16?

What if you could rate 32 spm at the HOCR and 38 spm in a OTW 1K?

Might make quite a difference.

ranger

[ranger]

But I can tell you he won,t be at Boston this year.

Sorry to hear that.

Doesn't he want to defend his WR from his major competition?

This is the first year I will be racing both fully trained and rowing well.

If I can rate 36 spm, I'll pull 6:16.

When Roy started training with Paul Smith three or four years ago, he could pull 6:38.

After working with Paul for a year or so, he pulled 6:38.

Last year, he pulled 6:44.

Now he isn't going to race at all?

What's up?

I thought that good training was supposed to make you better.

ranger

[ranger]

Why don't you come up to The Chieftain this coming summer and get coached by Buzz Congram

You are getting sculling lessons in an Irish pub?

http://www.thechieftain.com/pub.html

Sure.

I'd be glad to join you.

I love San Francisco.

Who's buying the beer?

ranger