Ranger's training thread

[lancs]

So he doesn't know what he is talking about.

Perhaps.

But I know for certain that you cannot row 10k @1:48, regardless of ratios, DF or any other smokescreen you may care to try and divert people away from the cold hard facts.

You're slower than you used to be. You weren't able to beat Roy's WR. You can't row under 6:40. Get over it.

[ranger]

So he doesn't know what he is talking about.

Perhaps.

But I know for certain that you cannot row 10k @1:48, regardless of ratios, DF or any other smokescreen you may care to try and divert people away from the cold hard facts.

You're slower than you used to be. You weren't able to beat Roy's WR. You can't row under 6:40. Get over it.

If you don't know what you are talking about, you don't know anything about it, much less know for certain.

You need to try it.

Train yourself to row well at low drag.

ranger

[ranger]

You weren't able to beat Roy's WR.

My goal hasn't been to row 6:38.

Why would my goal be to row 10 seconds slower than I have already rowed?

I have already rowed 6:27.5.

My goal is to row 6:16.

When I row 6:16 at 60, I won't care that Roy was 22 seconds slower when he was five years younger.

Anyway, Roy's WR won't last long.

Paul Siebach will blow it out of the water, perhaps by as much as 10 seconds.

I rowed 6:29.7 when I was 55, without even preparing for it.

ranger

[JohnBove]

I am 60 years old.

I am in no hurry.

I am not preparing for any specific races.

I am not on a team.

I am out there by myself in the early morning hours, with no one to get me out of trouble if I need help.

I am just learning to row.

I am a world class welsher, liar, douchebag and a clinical narcissist.

[KevJGK]

You weren't able to beat Roy's WR.

My goal hasn't been to row 6:38.

Why would my goal be to row 10 seconds slower than I have already rowed?

The point is that despite you repeatedly saying how soft Roy’s 06:38.1 world record is, and despite you repeatedly attempting to beat it, and despite you repeatedly saying your target is 06:16 rather than 06:38.1 you didn’t get anywhere near beating it.

Doesn’t that make you think maybe your training isn’t quite as good as you think it is?

[ranger]

you didn’t get anywhere near beating it.

Don't know about that.

At 58 years old and 59 years old, I pulled a lwt 6:41, at max drag, without even preparing for it, heck, without even doing distance rowing, just on the basis on low rate rowing, working on technique.

At 55 years old, Roy pulled 6:38.

Given my age, even those modest 6:41s are better than Roy's 6:38 at 55.

Roy tried, but he couldn't equal them.

That isn't the point, though, really.

Since 2003, I have just been trying to learn to row well at low drag.

I haven't been preparing to race, or even doing distance rowing.

That project is now done, though.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.).

And I am now preparing to race.

Roy is nowhere to be seen.

When he is my age (60), even if Roy is interested, he'll have a hard time pulling 6:50.

He won't be anywhere near Brian Bailey's 6:42.

And my goal is 6:16.

At 60, Roy won't be within a half minute of 6:16.

Sure, if Roy had gone sub-6:30 as a lightweight when he was 55, he might have something to brag about.

That would have been better than the midpoint between the 55s and 60s lwt WRs, which falls at 6:33.5.

But that's about it.

I suspect that Paul Siebach will pull a lwt sub-6:30 when he is 55.

ranger

[atklein90]

You're a > 7:00 2K erger.

I am _much_ better than that now.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.).

A FM is done at 2K + 14.

ranger

So, in other words, you might be capable of a FM at 1:59 or 2:00 pace? Personally, I highly doubt you can even row a FM at ANY pace, much less under 2:00.

[atklein90]

At 60, Roy won't be within a half minute of 6:16.

ranger

And you are no where near a half minute close to 6:16.

If you need help, 7:02 minus 6:16 is (wait for it...)

46 SECONDS!

(That's more than a half minute if you don't know).

[ranger]

atklein90--

You are a 30s heavyweight, rowing 45 seconds off the standard in your age and weight division.

Not sure what you know about anything.

Lancs has a BIRC gold.

Do you?

I have two (both championship records at the time, one a WR).

ranger

[jliddil]

I almost forgot, the secret word for tonight is "Mudshark"

[ranger]

And you are no where near a half minute close to 6:16.

We'll soon see.

A FM at 1:48 would predict a 6:16 2K.

What can you do for a FM?

Can you do 1:52?

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

I am out there by myself in the early morning hours, with no one to get me out of trouble if I need help.

The correct strategy is to be so prepared that you do not have to depend on someone else to rescue you. Of course it would be better to be rowing with someone else. Perhaps you could find a rowing partner. It would be best to find someone with a strong voice for the constant shouts "Rich, watch out, you're about to run into the shore."

[aharmer]

you didn’t get anywhere near beating it.

Don't know about that.

Given my age, even those modest 6:41s are better than Roy's 6:38 at 55.

ranger

Is 6:38 faster than 6:41? Yep. Only in your current state of psychosis is 6:41 superior to 6:38. Don't give me that bullshit about annual decreases in speed. Besides, this is 2011 and you are a 7:02 erger. Nothing more, nothing less. A man steps up and admits when somebody is his superior. A small, lying coward acts...well, a lot like you do.

By the way, somebody recently offered to give you $200 if you could pull a sub 7:00 2k. I suppose you decided to be a nice guy and not take his money huh? If I'm not mistaken, that's $700 in EASY money you could collect in about 18 minutes of work if you include the 5k for $500. Pull the 5k in 17:30 to collect your $500. Set the monitor to record every 1000 meters and pull the final 2k at sub 7:00 to collect the other $200. Simple, this is your warmup row as you've said many times. You could use that money to pay off the years-old Henry bet.

[rjw]

My goal is to row 6:16.

Rich - how did you establish this goal?

I rowed 6:29.7 when I was 55, without even preparing for it.

ranger

What is the relevance of this statement and why is it so important that you bring it up everyday?

And remember, if you don't row the 2k in a bona fide event, we will probably forget it like you constantly forget that Roy rowed a 6:34.x the same year he got his "soft" world record.

[Brunsie]

Well I am well off the standards for my age and weight and fully admit I don't know a lot about rowing Ranger so I will save you pointing that out for everyone.

What I do know is that every single person that goes out to do a race of any kind has some issues. Some are not as well trained as they would like, or not as conditioned, or feeling a little under the weather, whatever. It does not matter, if you step up to race it just is what it is. You keep going on how when you set your records you did not row well and did not prepare, all these things are relative (you obviously rowed well enough and trained enough to set those records at that time) and your effort was your effort and nothing you say will ever change it. You need to accept the results for being what they are, which is the best efforts you have ever demonstrated to the world. You can talk all you want your talk is irrelevant to everyone but you, which is why you would be better off saying nothing. If someone like you came on and said "hey, I am going to try something new, this is it and I think it may revolutionize rowing for all the future to come, It should take me 6 months, 12 months whatever and then we will see how I do." a lot of people would be interested in how it is going and probably be rooting for you. You however don't seem to do anything like that, instead you say "despite what all of recorded history shows, you are all wrong and this is the only way you should do it, just trust me, it doesn't matter that I have been preaching this for 5 years or 8 years or however long this saga has been going on, just trust me. I know the few result show the opposite of what I say will happen but that doesn't matter I am right anyway, come on the whole rowing world do what I say."

I would love to see something come along even half as spectacular as what you say you are going to do and if you do it I will be right there congratulating you and be right there trying to learn your "revolutionary technique". I have only been erging for 5 months and if I saw evidence of what you say being true (by the way evidence is actually setting times that are better than times set by the people that are doing it other ways, even me as a complete new-by can see that unless you can string the whole thing together for long enough to have a set piece and the time it took it is irrelevant) I would be learning your way right now rather than wasting my time learning the old inefficient way.

I have visions of someone following your advice back when this whole saga started, it is not really working for them but they know it must be right because you insist it is. Even though they are not setting the world on fire they cling to what you preach year after year waiting for you to prove to the world you were right and therefor they have been right all these years. In light of their unfailing loyalty to you, don't you feel obligated to prove to them all their years of work were not in vain and you are indeed right.