Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

Hey.

I hear that most people think that the way to get rich is to buy high and sell low.

Go figure.

It is now a documented fact.

The investment strategies of the average individual investor are _less_ fruitful than doing nothing.

The things people think they should do with their money, and are often moved to do, are not only unfruitful.

They are detrimental!

ranger

[ranger]

I think many of us follow this thread hoping for a verifiable result to be posted

I have posted the results of my work on technique--in various forms (videos, screen shots, trials, etc.).

This work is now done.

Will this work on technique have a bearing on my distance times and 2K?

We'll soon see.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.).

ranger

[Citroen]

I think many of us follow this thread hoping for a verifiable result to be posted

I have posted the results of my work on technique--in various forms (videos, screen shots, trials, etc.).

This work is now done.

Will this work on technique have a bearing on my distance times and 2K?

We'll soon see.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.).

ranger

Where's the IND_V 6:16?
Where's the IND_V 1:44 FM?
Why can't I find a result from you that's better than your 7:02 2K?

Have they changed the ranking system to use SPI and df values or is it still the traditional distance over time?

The videos and photos are either ancient history, or irrelevant short distances with funky force curves.

[ranger]

Have they changed the ranking system to use SPI and df values or is it still the traditional distance over time?

Nope.

As the times over distances rowed in the rankings illustrate, everyone is neglecting technique, so (after a very short while) they are just getting worse and worse.

ranger

[ranger]

funky force curves

There is nothing more telling about your rowing than your force curve.

It's the sine qua non of training.

If you aren't effective and efficient in your rowing, even if you are fast, you are falling _waaay_ short of your potential.

You might be fit, but you are wasting your time and energy!

High peak forces reflect quick legs, good timing, and complex footwork.

Short drive times indicate high ratios.

The former adds effectiveness.

The latter, efficiency.

ranger

[jliddil]

I think many of us follow this thread hoping for a verifiable result to be posted

I have posted the results of my work on technique--in various forms (videos, screen shots, trials, etc.).

This work is now done.

Will this work on technique have a bearing on my distance times and 2K?

We'll soon see.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.).

ranger

Where's the IND_V 6:16?
Where's the IND_V 1:44 FM?
Why can't I find a result from you that's better than your 7:02 2K?

Have they changed the ranking system to use SPI and df values or is it still the traditional distance over time?

The videos and photos are either ancient history, or irrelevant short distances with funky force curves.

Of course as usual he completed ignored your question and cam back with a nonsense answer

[snowleopard]

funky force curves

There is nothing more telling about your rowing than your force curve.

It's the sine qua non of training.

It says nothing about _rowing_ and very little about one's erging.

it's a one stroke stunt; a cameo. Anyone could be taught to replicate your precious force curve in a matter of hours.

Training is about outcomes. If you don't subscribe to that you are just exercising. You're a cellar rat.

Outcomes measure the effectiveness of your training. For ergers and rowers the only outcome that really counts is the 2K.

Your season's best is a 7:02 and change. More than a 100 watts away from your self-declared potential.

[leadville]

So.

Here is your chance to be helpful and positive, Henry.

What do you think I should do in order to pull a lwt 6:16?

Any ideas?

ranger

Rich, the only way you're going to pull a 6:16 LWT is to follow EE into a bar and dose his drink with Rohypnol.

Post of the year without question!

Careful, he may be on the next plane headed east...

[Bob S.]

Crikey Bob! Do you think I (or anyone else) am expecting a sensible answer?

Beware of occupying the moral high ground, nothing here is quite what it seems

Well, you do have a point there. As far as high moral ground is concerned, it is obvious that I have no claim to that. My own posting establishes the fact the I read the thread (well the responses, at least) and that alone is enough to give the lie to any such claim

Bob S.

[Bob S.]

For ergers and rowers the only outcome that really counts is the 2K.

That may be true for diehard ergers, but real rowers have a lot more options, ranging on up to ocean crossings.

Bob S.

[ranger]

t's a one stroke stunt

No, as I have demonstrated, the force curves on all of my strokes look the same.

That's true for everyone.

Rowing is repetitive.

Just more of the same, more of the same.

The force curve tells you what you are doing with your technique.

ranger

[ranger]

Training is about outcomes. If you don't subscribe to that you are just exercising. You're a cellar rat.
Outcomes measure the effectiveness of your training. For ergers and rowers the only outcome that really counts is the 2K.
Your season's best is a 7:02 and change. More than a 100 watts away from your self-declared potential.

What does a season have to do with my rowing goals?

I have three WR rows.

I have won all of the major championships.

Last year no one my age came within 20 seconds of my 2K, even though I didn't prepare for my races.

My goal now is to row to the limits of my potential.

That's a trick, not a one-season affair.

My potential, I think, is about three seconds per 500m faster than my pb.

You don't get that done by racing.

You get that done by overcoming your weaknesses, which I have now done.

To focus on outcomes elides an interest in training altogether.

The outcome is the result of the training.

The outcome is not the training.

For those who have prepared to race many times, race preparation is also not training.

No one ever got any better from race preparation.

Those who just prepare to race, and race, prepare to race, and race, just get worse and worse, especially if they are aging.

ranger

[aharmer]

Training is about outcomes. If you don't subscribe to that you are just exercising. You're a cellar rat.
Outcomes measure the effectiveness of your training. For ergers and rowers the only outcome that really counts is the 2K.
Your season's best is a 7:02 and change. More than a 100 watts away from your self-declared potential.

What does a season have to do with my rowing goals?

I have three WR rows.

I have won all of the major championships.

Last year no one my age came within 20 seconds of my 2K, even though I didn't prepare for my races.

My goal now is to row to the limits of my potential.

That's a trick, not a one-season affair.

My potential, I think, is about three seconds per 500m faster than my pb.

You don't get that done by racing.

You get that done by overcoming your weaknesses, which I have now done.

To focus on outcomes, elides an interest in training altogether.

The outcome is the result of the training.

The outcome is not the training.

For those who have prepared to race many times, race preparation is also not training.

No one ever got any better from race preparation.

Those who just prepare to race, and race, prepare to race, and race, just get worse and worse, especially if they are aging.

ranger

Congrats to you for overcoming all of your weaknesses over the last 6 years of training. We'll see the fruits of that labor in a 1:48 FM by the end of this weekend, or have plans changed?

[ranger]

Congrats to you for overcoming all of your weaknesses over the last 6 years of training. We'll see the fruits of that labor in a 1:48 FM by the end of this weekend, or have plans changed?

No change in plans.

The plan is to keep rowing a lot of 1:48 @ 23-25 spm (11-12 SPI), steady state, HR at 155 bpm (75% HRR), until I can do it for a FM.

Sure, I think that should be soon, especially since I am now done teaching until September.

ranger

[Carl Watts]

The current season ends on 1st May 2011.

This is an important message to let everyone know to check the date on there computer as it appears some people still have it set for 6 or 7 years ago.