Ranger's training thread

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » April 14th, 2011, 6:59 pm

lancs wrote:
bellboy wrote:Im going for a maternally enraged gorilla escaping from the zoo and holding him prisoner in his classroom!
PaulH wrote:My excuse guess: By the end of the month his ratio will be so huge that the monitor will auto power down between strokes, so he can't log a time.
Two fine contributions to start the excuse list.

Here's my suggestion:

A Spring heat wave in Michigan means The Pathological One will devote all of his time getting even faster OTW than Mike VB. The erg will be for gym rats like me only.

Either that or he will just totally blank it completely. It will be like he never even said he would pull a FM @1:48 (or is it 1:44 these days?)
I'm going for one of these two:

1. a freak thunderstorm will strike his roof and raze Chez Cureton to the ground.

2. he'll be out on the lake when he gets lifted 1000ft in the air by a freak tornado.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 14th, 2011, 7:09 pm

My force curve now has no resemblance to my force curve back in 2005-2006, although it is right about the same SPI.

http://www.ps-sport.net/pictures/Test01 ... akPaul.jpg

The ratio and peak force of my curve now looks like Paul's, although, with a much shorter drive time, my SPI is only 12 SPI. Paul's is 15.5 SPI

Notice that Paul is in a 2.54 ratio at 34 spm.

That means that he would also be _very_ close to a 3-to-1 ratio if he pulled the same 15.5 SPI at 30 spm and the same low drag.

So there you have it, Nav!

If you pull 15.5 SPI at 30 spm for 60min in a 3-to-1 ratio at 95 df., you'll row 1:32 or 19200m.

Go for it!

Then you'll be rowing well.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 14th, 2011, 7:43 pm

I suspect that the ratio of this stroke is right around Paul's 2.54, although it is only 11 SPI.

The peak force is right about the same as Paul's, too.

120 kg.F.

95 df.

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Stephansen does this stroke at 44 spm for 2K.

I will be happy with 38 spm.

38 spm @ 11 SPI is 1:34/6:16 for 2K.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by leadville » April 14th, 2011, 8:47 pm

Nav - i see you abandoned rangerland for a while, as did i. good to check in and see the never-ending babble from rangerboy is still continuing.

Here's my entries for 'why I didn't do an FM'.

1. I did, it was great, and I hit all my goals! (no certification of same, but that's beside the point).

2. I decided to reduce the drag factor to 0.20, have an incredibly efficient and quick stroke, and am just working on internalizing/memorizing/really learning this new, innovative stroke and as soon as I do I'll row an FM negative splitting after my first 500 at 1:30...

3. I've moved to Denmark to be closer to my mancrush, and am waiting on my erg to come in the mail
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 14th, 2011, 9:49 pm

Compared to my distance training now, 1:40 @ 30 spm (11.7 SPI), 1:48 @ 25 spm (11 SPI), my target FM pace and rate, is a piece of cake.

Nothing to be done in training now but more of the same.

95 df.

4-to-1 ratio

11 SPI

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by BrianStaff » April 14th, 2011, 11:07 pm

Just to break up monotony of rangers spi and df obsessions....my daughter is racing in Ann Arbor on Saturday and I've warned her about a stray single with an old fart aboard displaying dubious technique, especially a blue one with a "8+ notch" on its bow.

I've also told her if she gets close enough, she should bash him with her oar, especially if he's in the water.

Oh yes, ranger...no snide comments about womens rowing please - her erg score is really close to yours - probably better this year AND she weighs less than you do too. :lol:
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Bob S. » April 15th, 2011, 12:27 am

Citroen wrote:
I'm going for one of these two:

1. a freak thunderstorm will strike his roof and raze Chez Cureton to the ground.

2. he'll be out on the lake when he gets lifted 1000ft in the air by a freak tornado.
Interesting that the word freak shows up in each one of these.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by adutton » April 15th, 2011, 2:16 am

I don't want to disrupt the guesses of what Ranger's latest excuse will be, but I found this article incredibly relevant to the thread. Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman - Do Narcissists Know They Are Narcissists?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 5:22 am

adutton wrote:I don't want to disrupt the guesses of what Ranger's latest excuse will be, but I found this article incredibly relevant to the thread. Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman - Do Narcissists Know They Are Narcissists?
True.

Personalities have nothing to do with training for rowing.

And ad hominem arguments are only resorted to by those who have nothing substantial to say.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » April 15th, 2011, 5:25 am

ranger wrote:
adutton wrote:I don't want to disrupt the guesses of what Ranger's latest excuse will be, but I found this article incredibly relevant to the thread. Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman - Do Narcissists Know They Are Narcissists?
True.

Personalities have nothing to do with training for rowing.

And ad hominem arguments are only resorted to by those who have nothing substantial to say.

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We shall take that as a yes then.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 5:25 am

Yep.

I am now just blasting along, 1:40 @ 30 spm (11.7 SPI, 10 MPS), in my distance rowing.

Nirvana.

This is wonderful training for all aspects of my rowing--skeletal-muscular, technical, physiological, psychological, etc.

Nothing to be done now but to keep doing it.

It's perfect.

95 df.

3-to-1 ratio

My target is 1:40 @ 30 spm for 6K.

But I think I might do it for 60min.

Stroking lightly, an SPI or so below your natural stroking power, 10 MPS is top-end UT1 rowing.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 5:27 am

Bob S. wrote:Interesting that the word freak shows up in each one of these.
Yep.

More ad hominem argument by those who have nothing substantial to say.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 5:31 am

For a 60s lwt, 1:40 is under WR 2K pace (1:40.7).

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 5:33 am

bellboy wrote:We shall take that as a yes then.
Who is the "we"?

Those here who are using ad hominem arguments because they have nothing substantial to say?

Odd group to be a proud member of.

Go figure.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by macroth » April 15th, 2011, 5:35 am

ranger wrote:
My target is 1:40 @ 30 spm for 6K.

But I think I might do it for 60min.
What's substantial about these statements when you can't hold 1:40 for 2K, maybe not even 1K? :lol:

Of course people are attacking (more like describing) your character, that's the only thing on display here, not training of any sort. And it ain't pretty.
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40+ PBs: 100m 14.7 | 500m 1:20.5 | 1k 2:59.6 | 2k 6:21.9 | 5k 17:29.6 | HM 1:19:33.1| FM 2:51:58.5 | 100k 7:35:09 | 24h 250,706m

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