Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » April 8th, 2011, 8:27 am

ranger wrote:In the video I posted, it was interesting to see that, just rowing along easily, stroking lightly, at 95 df., a couple of strokes came out to be as good as 12 SPI (1:45 @ 25 spm).
What's so remarkable about that? Everyone knows when holding a split that there are always one or two strokes that are right out of the sweet spot.

Fact remains, you knocked off 500m @ 1:46 rating 26. Whadya want? A medal?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 8th, 2011, 8:35 am

snowleopard wrote:you knocked off 500m @ 1:46 rating 26. Whadya want? A medal?
Naw.

No medals yet.

You can wait until I do it for a FM.

60min would be right at the 50s _heavyweight_ WR, i.e., for top-end UT1 rowing.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by atklein90 » April 8th, 2011, 8:40 am

ranger wrote:I'll post videos of 1K and 2K with my FM stroke, 1:46 @ 26 spm, 95 df., this weekend.

Then I'll post videos of 5K and 6K next week.

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Ha! No you won't! You're completely incapable of even coming close to a 7:04 2K, much less at 26spm.

Yet, I'm sure all of us will diligently check in to see if you actually do.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by jliddil » April 8th, 2011, 8:54 am

ranger wrote:
jliddil wrote:Tech guy must think about as much of you as we do.
If my tech guy does it, I don't have to buy Windows or Boot Camp.

I only have to buy erg monitor.

What do I save?

$200?

More?

ranger
Gotta love that. Using University Michigan Resources for your own personal project. You "save" $200. Welfare state, pushing the costs on to someone else. Your "savings" are born by others.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 8th, 2011, 9:02 am

jliddil wrote:Gotta love that. Using University Michigan Resources for your own personal project. You "save" $200. Welfare state, pushing the costs on to someone else. Your "savings" are born by others.
Naw.

I have some other projects that I might want to do with the Mac as PC in a professional way with it after I retire.

The university owns my computer; I don't.

They maintain it, update it, and in the end, have the option to take it back.

They also have the option not to provide the software and updating I requested.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 8th, 2011, 9:07 am

atklein90 wrote:You're completely incapable of even coming close to a 7:04 2K, much less at 26spm.
Hardly.

I am now doing all of my rowing, 1:46 @ 26 spm at 95 df.

20K a day.

Middlin' UT1 HR.

4-to-1 ratio.

Great stuff.

Just relaxing with it.

Workin' out the bugs.

Settin' the grooves.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 8th, 2011, 9:14 am

atklein90 wrote:You're completely incapable of even coming close to a 7:04 2K, much less at 26spm.
I'll post videos rowing 1K and 2K with my FM stroke this weekend.

Then I'll post videos rowing 5K and 6K with my FM stroke next week.

Of course, all of these are easy to do if you are rowing at a middlin' UT1 HR, as I am.

You don't even warm up!

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by KevJGK » April 8th, 2011, 10:00 am

ranger wrote: Relaxed as can be.
hmmmm... not sure about that.

I have the technology to strip out the sound frequencies made by the erg on your video - leaving just the sound of your breathing.

It doesn’t sound very relaxed to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4rWjNjrj7I
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 8th, 2011, 10:10 am

This 1:46 @ 26 spm at 95 df. is just relaxed, natural rowing now.

Middlin' UT1 HR.

I'll post a video of 1K and 2K of it this weekend; 5K and 6K of it next weekend.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » April 8th, 2011, 10:16 am

ranger wrote:This 1:46 @ 26 spm at 95 df. is just relaxed, natural rowing now.

Middlin' UT1 HR.

I'll post a video of 1K and 2K of it this weekend; 5K and 6K of it next weekend.

ranger

:lol: :lol:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » April 8th, 2011, 10:27 am

hjs wrote:
atklein90 wrote:
ranger wrote:
I'll now pull 1:48/2:32 for a FM.

ranger
Then put up or shut up, bitch. I'll bet you $10K that you can do this and provide proof, by Thursday (3/24).

10 grand says you can't.

You win, you get ten grand. I win, you stop posting all of this useless bullshit, and stop posting all together. You've got 50 hours. Will you take the bet?
Only 10 grand, why not offer everything you own? a 100.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 sure bet :lol:


I have a better offer for the nutyy drunk, if you erg a sub 6.50 lightweight 2k this month, you don't have to pay me tyhe 1000$ you own me. That is march 2011.

It has to filmed though, form you standing on the scale up untill rowing the hole 2k and you have to wear a Hf belt :wink: The results must be seen on the pm

Even this is far beyond you :lol:

8 days counting..........

And I make the offer even better, he can also do it as a heavyweight..... but the 6.50 would be 6.30 then, So no weightloss needed, just simply do it. Although he needs to show his weight/hf. For a 1.48 marathonman just a warmup :lol:



reminder :P

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 8th, 2011, 12:10 pm

The remarkable thing about the relaxed FM rowing that I am doing now is the (interrelated) combination of low drag, high ratio, high stroking power, and high rate, which (if you can handle it in terms of the required skills) is _so_ much more effective and efficient than rowing with the (interrated combination) of high drag, low ratio, low stroking power, and low rate.

I will now row a FM at 95 df. rather than 200+. Pushing against such light resistance, my legs can be _very_ long and fast; my sequencing and timing of other levers, much better.

I will now row a FM at 11.5 SPI rather than 9 SPI. Each stroke now does 30% more work--but with less effort.

I will now row a FM in a 4-to-1 ratio rather than a 2-to-1 ratio. In each stroke cycle, work is now brief; rest, long.

I will now row a FM at 26 spm rather than, say, 22 spm. Because I am resting most of the time, the high ratio creates the illusion that I am rowing at a lower rate. This high rate also gets more work done--with no additional effort.

The difference in the two techniques, I would say, might be as large as a dozen seconds per 500m.

Given that I pulled 1:54 for a FM back in 2002-2003, if I had continued to row badly at high drag, the prediction is that I should now pull 1:58 for a FM.

Nope.

Because I now row well (11.5 SPI) at low drag (95 df.), I am going to pull a FM @ 1:46.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by KevJGK » April 8th, 2011, 12:26 pm

ranger wrote:I will now row a FM at 95 df. rather than 200+.
Are you going to wear a skirt as well?

200+ is too high & 95 is too low.

IMHO of course. :D
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 8th, 2011, 2:49 pm

KevJGK wrote:95 is too low
That's what I used to think, too, in the extreme, given that I had three WR rows at max drag.

But I was wrong.

No, low drag factors are not for weaklings and sissies.

Low drag factors are for those who have learned to row well, those who have learned good footwork, posture, compression, quickness, timing, sequencing, balance, preparation, slide control, rhythmicity, etc.

As you have seen, even though I am a little lightweight, I now get 11.5 SPI at 95 df., stroking lightly, for distance rowing.

The consequences of this are _huge_ (as I have just mentioned in a previous post).

These issues are converging/interrelated--rate, stroking power, ratio, drag.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » April 8th, 2011, 3:03 pm

ranger wrote:As you have seen, even though I am a little lightweight, I now get 11.5 SPI at 95 df., stroking lightly, for distance rowing.
You're a hwt, bozo. And you will never be a _little_ lwt. As BIRC demonstrated you cannot make weight and perform precisely because you are a glory lwt.

And BTW, you may have defined this as your distance stroke but you haven't rowed any continuous distance with it. Implying that you have used it for "distance rowing" is disingenuous to say the least.

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