Ranger's training thread

[mikvan52]

Try doing this:

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On These!


Hint: You could be in for a big surprise!
Do you have a helmet?

All kidding aside... Watt creation is one thing... moving a boat is another.

[ranger]

Yea.

As I thought, I am indeed most comfortable for my everyday rowing if I hold a 3-to-1 ratio, not a 4-to-1 ratio.

Sure, I can probably only rate 25 spm in a 4-to-1 ratio for a FM, because to row for 2.5 hours, I need to keep my HR down to 75% HRR, 155 bpm.

But I don't usually row a FM every day.

HM is more like it.

And I can row a HM at top-end UT1, for me, 172 bpm.

So, it looks as though I am going to rate 30 spm for a HM.

Stroking lightly, at 11.7 SPI and 10 MPS, that's 1:40 @ 30 spm.

Wow.

Now, I am not just rowing like Eskild E.

I am rowing like Eskild E. when he was 20.

I am rowing like Stephansen.

It looks as though I might pull 18K for 60min.

That predicts a 6:00 2K.

Stroke feels fabulous now.

Butta.

95 df.

From now on, after I am warmed up, it looks as though I can just row every day at 30 spm.

Top-end UT1 rowing is my favorite sort of rowing.

I am used to it.

I can do it every day, with great benefit, and no damage.

ranger

[ranger]

Watt creation is one thing... moving a boat is another

Xeno, Eskild E., Waddell, every US National Team lightweight, etc., don't seem to think so.

Are you saying that I should believe you and not them?

Or the glaring, obvious facts?

Sorry, but I'd rather eat gold than believe a deluded old man.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... CC8Q9QEwBg

Just face it, Mike.

You're slow!

That's the end of it.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

Post a digipic of your force curve.

How long is your drive time when you are rating 30 spm and pulling 9 SPI, as you usually do, at 120 df.?

I bet your ratio at 30 spm pulling 9 SPI at 120 df. is 2-to-1, if that.

.67 seconds for the drive.

1.33 seconds for the recovery.

What do you think?

I suspect that is one the principal reasons you like to rate closer to 30 spm in a 2K rather than 40 spm.

Your drag is too high.

Your drive is too slow.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

Learn to row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.) as I have done.

Then you can rate 40 spm at 11 SPI for 2K.

Training is fun.

And anyway, it isn't productive just to prepare to race, and then race, prepare to race, and then race, as you do now.

That kind of daily rowing just makes you worse and worse.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

Learning to row well at low drag shouldn't take you more than a decade.

It's worth it.

In the larger sweep of things, a decade is nothing.

Blink of an eye.

ranger

[PaulH]

Watt creation is one thing... moving a boat is another

Xeno, Eskild E., Waddell, every US National Team lightweight, etc., don't seem to think so.

Are you saying that I should believe you and not them?

Or the glaring, obvious facts?

Are you saying that every US National Team boat is made up of the 1/2/4/8 available people who are fastest on the erg? Where's your evidence for that?

[ranger]

All kidding aside

Talk to yourself.

You're the one that has been kidding.

I have been dead serious--as the results of my training demonstrate.

ranger

[ranger]

Are you saying that every US National Team boat is made up of the 1/2/4/8 available people who are fastest on the erg? Where's your evidence for that?

I didn't say anything about who is the fastest and not on the erg.

The 2K qualifying time on the erg for US National Team lightweights is 6:16.

No US National Team lwt pulls a 6:56 erg.

For example...

http://www.usrowing.org/Libraries/Natio ... .sflb.ashx

ranger

[PaulH]

Are you saying that every US National Team boat is made up of the 1/2/4/8 available people who are fastest on the erg? Where's your evidence for that?

I didn't say anything about who is the fastest and not on the erg.

The 2K qualifying time on the erg for US National Team lightweights is 6:16.

No US National Team lwt pulls a 6:56 erg.

ranger

But you clearly implied that generating watts and moving the boat are the same thing. Worse, you implied that the National Team members think that too. If that's true, then the people who are fastest on the erg (which for all the fancy talking here, just measures watts) must be fastest on the water. I don't believe that's true, and I'd like to see your proof for it.

[ranger]

But you clearly implied that generating watts and moving the boat are the same thing.

No, I didn't.

I said that no National Team lightweight pulls 6:56 OTErg.

You have to have a bit of an engine to move a boat.

If you have no engine at all, or just a little egg-beater, you are dead in the water.

OTW, the best young lightweights are 10-15 seconds per 500m faster than Mike over 2K.

Mike's ability to move a boat given his engine is fine.

Mike's erg scores tell the story, not his OTW technique.

ranger

[PaulH]

http://www.usrowing.org/Libraries/Natio ... .sflb.ashx

No, I didn't.

I said that no National Team lightweight pulls 6:56 OTErg.

You have to have a bit of an engine to move a boat.

If you have no engine at all, or just a little egg-beater, you are dead in the water.

ranger

Not at first you didn't, you said:

Watt creation is one thing... moving a boat is another

Xeno, Eskild E., Waddell, every US National Team lightweight, etc., don't seem to think so.

Are you saying that I should believe you and not them?

Or the glaring, obvious facts?

Clearly that means that, while Mike thinks watt creation and moving a boat are two different things, you think they are the same. Further, you try to give your assertion extra weight by unjustifiably dragging in the National Team. So, where's the proof of that statement?

[ranger]

Clearly that means that, while Mike thinks watt creation and moving a boat are two different things, you think they are the same.

No, I don't think they are the same.

I think that you need to have an lively engine to move a boat.

Mike's engine is dead--out of gas.

OTW, the best young lightweights are 10-15 seconds per 500m faster than Mike over 2K.

Why?

They are also 10-15 seconds per 500m faster than Mike over 2K on the erg.

I suspect that Mike's OTW technique is fine.

He knows how to move a boat.

He just can't do it.

No engine.

ranger

[ranger]

This is the more important issue for the future, though:

Nothing at all prevents someone with a big engine from learning how to move a boat so that he/she is fast OTW.

But _everything_ prevents someone with a dead engine from ever again moving a boat fast OTW.

When your engine dies, you are dead OTW.

You're just a broken down old man.

ranger

[ranger]

You could be in for a big surprise!

No.

Slides or a dynamic erg would be no surprise at all.

I have been rowing OTW for seven years.

You just _hope_ that it would be a surprise, which is not a generous attitude at all.

Why are you so mean-spirited to those with less OTW experience than you?

You're a rowing snob of the first order.

Are you proud of that?

Given that you are a rowing coach, your attitudes toward those who are just learning to row OTW is embarrassing in the extreme.

Shameful stuff.

ranger