Ranger's training thread

[mikvan52]

the more common distances have you slower than Mike

No.

Mike's pbs in the distance rows are four seconds per 500m off of mine.

Patently false.

For fairness let's look at the 55-59 age group, where we were/are both active on the competitive scene.
Your 55-59 lwt career is now over.
What were your 55-59 PBs at all the distances in the C2 rankings as a lwt?

Truth be told:
You were only 165 lbs or less for less than 24 hours over 5 years... During which you surpassed me at one distance only... the 2k.

[ranger]

Plenty of rest allows the body to work reasonably hard but not get exhausted or dehydrated.

Sure.

This is the normal mode of traditional rowing sessions, given the "team" focus and time constraints.

In my work on the erg and in my cross-training, I don't have these issues (a "team" focus and time constraints).

So, I prefer to do my high end UT1 and AT work from the top down, from a FM to 5K, training for each distance race and then racing it:

FM, HM, 60min, 10K, 30min, 6K, 5K

Sure.

When I train, I get both exhausted and dehydrated.

That's why I am so good.

ranger

[ranger]

Your 55-59 lwt career is now over.

Sure.

I spent this time learning how to row well at low drag.

Because of this investment in skill-building, etc., I will now pull a lwt 6:16 at 60.

Naw.

If I pull a lwtt 6:16 at 60, I won't care that Roy pulled a 2K 22 seconds slower when he was five years younger.

Even so, Roy has never come anywhere near my lwt pbs, even though I did them as a complete novice, pulling at max drag, rowing badly.

When Roy is 60, he won't be within 10 seconds of the current 60s lwt WR.

If I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, he won't be within 35 seconds of the new 60s lwt WR.

Investment pays off.

You only get better if you work on your weaknesses.

Those who just prepare to race and then race, prepare to race and then race, parading their strengths and ignoring their weaknesses, just get worse and worse.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Plenty of rest allows the body to work reasonably hard but not get exhausted or dehydrated.

Sure.

This is the normal mode of traditional rowing sessions, given the "team" focus and time constraints.

I don't have these issues ("team" focus and time constraints).

Off - subject

ranger training claims to go long every day... with the inherent principle that longer- more volume - is better.

How is running a marathon a "team constraint"?
ADEQUATE time to work out is a given...
I was pointing out the more and more time in is deceiving.
And (!) this is especially true for 60 year olds!!!

I suggest you think a little bit before firing off responses.

Another principle of ranger training is "all my strokes at 12 spi" ... IOW high wattage combined with pacing reports below 1:55... If we do the math... that's working hard.... all the time.
THis is abnormal and wrong in my book and is part of the reason why I'm faster than you at the lwt 5k.

We both know you are lying about your training, but even your stated principle are dead wrong and has resulted in your getting slower and slower vs your peers as you age.
Example: In the 2k:
In 2003 you were #1 all-time. In 2010 your were #4 all-time in the next age group.
Spin the numbers and the syntax as much as you like... these are the facts.
Now your in a new age group and have not even mustered one lwt 2k...
What's up?
Will you consider going off in a more sensible direction with ranger training?

[mikvan52]

If I pull a lwttttttttttttt 6:16 at 60,

Isn't it time to stop playing the dimwitttttttttttttttttttttttttt ?

No 60 year old lwt will ever row 6:16 for 2k...
It doesn't have to do with training. It's age.

The game is over on this subject.

The only chance is by performance enhancing drugs or possibly, in the future, genetic engineering... to delay aging

Wouldn't be nice if aging athletes didn't pump themselves up with creatine and take steroids....?
Such people, and they do exist, are pathetic.
They try to make a monkey out of mother nature...

[PaulH]

I spent this time learning how to row well at low drag.

Because of this investment in skill-building, etc., I will now pull a lwt 6:16 at 60.

Another opportunity for our bet! If you don't, will you quit posting? If you do I promise I'll stop...

[atklein90]

So, I prefer to do my high end UT1 and AT work from the top down, from a FM to 5K, training for each distance race and then racing it:

FM, HM, 60min, 10K, 30min, 6K, 5K

Sure.

When I train, I get both exhausted and dehydrated.

That's why I am so good.

ranger

When is all this bullshit going to end?!?!?!?!?!?!? Seriously. If you're half as good as you claim you are (which you obviously are not), then put some freaking times up. Deadlines. When the hell are you ever going to do time trials?

Really, you're not good at all. A 7:02 2K is pretty bad actually.

[ranger]

Seriously. If you're half as good as you claim you are (which you obviously are not), then put some freaking times up. Deadlines. When the hell are you ever going to do time trials?

If I can get my "ultra" sessions going, I should be ready for a FM trial in a month or so.

Once A FM trial is done, the other distance trials are easier, because shorter.

Not much additional preparation is necessary.

The FM trial sets your base pace (24-28 spm).

Then for each shorter distance, you just raise your rate, pace, and HR a bit, but mercifully, don't have to row nearly as long.

Can you do a FM, 1:48 @ 24 spm (11.7 SPI)?

If not, why not?

ranger

[hjs]

I'll now pull 1:48/2:32 for a FM.

ranger

Then put up or shut up, bitch. I'll bet you $10K that you can do this and provide proof, by Thursday (3/24).

10 grand says you can't.

You win, you get ten grand. I win, you stop posting all of this useless bullshit, and stop posting all together. You've got 50 hours. Will you take the bet?

Only 10 grand, why not offer everything you own? a 100.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 sure bet


I have a better offer for the nutyy drunk, if you erg a sub 6.50 lightweight 2k this month, you don't have to pay me tyhe 1000$ you own me. That is march 2011.

It has to filmed though, form you standing on the scale up untill rowing the hole 2k and you have to wear a Hf belt The results must be seen on the pm

Even this is far beyond you

8 days counting..........

And I make the offer even better, he can also do it as a heavyweight..... but the 6.50 would be 6.30 than, So no weightloss needed, just simply do it. Although he needs to show his weight/hf. For a 1.48 marathonman just a warmup



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[ranger]

Really, you're not good at all. A 7:02 2K is pretty bad actually.

Just paddled that one in.

More consistently, I have been pulling right around WR pace for my age and weight (6:41) the last couple of years, without even preparing for my races.

Not very good?

Think what you want.

That would be 5:35 for you.

Last year, no one my weight and age (or older) can within 20 seconds of my 2K.

If you pull sub-6:20, you can hang in the top 50 or so:

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Heavyweight | Ages 30-39 | 2010 Season

1 André Vonarburg 32 CHE 5:49.5 RACE
2 Garath Archer 34 Durham ARC GBR 5:51.1 RACE
3 Andrew Triggs-Hodge 30 GB Rowing GBR 5:54.1 RACE
4 Matt Garry 34 University Place WA USA 5:56.2 IND
5 Nick Wakeford 31 Shenton Park WA AUS 5:59.9 C2Log
6 Jens Raab 32 GER 6:02.8 RACE
7 Jean david Bernard 32 Melun Cn FRA 6:06.0 RACE
7 Ross Hawkins 35 Johannesburg ZAF 6:06.0 RACE
9 Tim Perkins 32 Lea RC GBR 6:06.4 RACE
10 Sergej Using 32 Cambridge 99 RC GBR 6:06.9 RACE
11 Toby Ayer 35 Brookline MA USA 6:07.0 RACE
12 jack nunn 30 Manhattan Beach ca USA 6:07.6 RACE
13 Vincent Lepvraud 39 Encouragement - Sesn FRA 6:07.8 RACE
14 Stuart Williams 35 Exeter GBR 6:08.3 RACE
15 Patrick Cushna 32 cornwall NY USA 6:09.3 RACE
16 Alistair Macdonald 36 Birmingham GBR 6:10.8 RACE
17 Bruno Coqueran 39 Aviron Sport Choletais FRA 6:13.2 RACE
18 Justin Scholes 33 Poplar Blackwall & District RC GBR 6:13.8 RACE
19 Alister Campbell 31 London GBR 6:14.2 IND
20 Eugeny Trofimov 38 Marine Technical Uni GBR 6:15.1 RACE
21 Conrad Tulloch 37 AUS 6:15.4 RACE
22 David Gabel 39 CHE 6:15.7 RACE
23 Llewelyn Hynes 33 Paddy Power IRC GBR 6:15.8 RACE
23 Dr. Thorsten Jonischkeit 37 GER 6:15.8 RACE
25 Eugeny Trofimov 38 GBR 6:16.3 RACE
25 Andy Murray 39 London London Rowing Club IRL 6:16.3 IND
27 G Rewi 34 Christchurch NZL 6:17.2 IND
28 Adam Scrivner 31 City Of Cambridge RC GBR 6:17.3 RACE
29 David Blanksby 36 sheffield GBR 6:18.1 IND
30 Brandon Nelson 38 Bellingham WA USA 6:18.3 RACE
31 David Crawford 39 Chiswick GBR 6:18.5 RACE
31 Pete Marston 32 Farnborough GBR 6:18.5 RACE
33 Will Hoppitt 31 St Andrews GBR 6:18.8 RowPro
34 Greg Carroll 30 AUS 6:19.1 RACE
34 Julius Lamos 34 Cygnet RC GBR 6:19.1 RACE
36 Gabriel Winkler 33 Corvallis OR USA 6:19.2 RACE
37 Marcus Schug 32 Worms GER 6:19.3 IND
38 Raphael Ruban 33 FRA 6:19.4 RACE
39 paul Wainwright 31 York North Yorkshire, UK GBR 6:20.2 IND
40 Daniel Protz 33 CHE 6:20.5 RACE
41 Matthew West 37 Yorkshire GBR 6:20.8 RACE
42 Nick Lowell 39 North Falmouth MA USA 6:21.5 IND
43 Aron Klein 34 Bloomington IL USA 6:21.8 IND

If I pull sub-6:20, as I think I will, the situation is a bit different, given my age and weight:

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (59–70) | 2010 Season

You are number 1 of 172

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Hugh Pite 65 Victoria BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE
3 Robert Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 7:03.6 RACE
4 Gregory Brock 62 santa cruz ca USA 7:03.9 IND
5 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
6 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 7:06.0 RACE
6 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 7:06.0 IND
8 Leif Petersen 64 DEN 7:08.5 RACE
9 Peter Francis 61 Denver CO USA 7:09.3 RACE
10 Roger Prowse 65 Isle of Wight GBR 7:10.3 RACE
11 Rick Bayko 62 Newburyport MA USA 7:12.5 RACE
12 Michael Brownjohn 61 Upminster Essex GBR 7:12.8 RACE
13 John Exley 62 Oxford City Athletic Club GBR 7:13.3 RACE
14 Hugh Conway 60 St. Pats TOW Club Co. Armagh IRL 7:13.8 IND_V
15 Gregory Reddan 63 AUS 7:15.7 RACE
16 Timothy Foley 61 Coopersburg PA USA 7:15.9 IND
17 Stephen Sepe 60 Katonah NY USA 7:16.2 IND
18 Tony Winfield 66 Team Slaughterhouse GBR 7:16.5 RACE
19 Steve Schaffran 66 Richmond CA USA 7:16.6 IND
20 David Aldridge 61 Maidenhead GBR 7:17.9 RACE
21 Joe Keating 60 London IRL 7:18.3 C2Log
22 Stephen Schaffran 66 Richmond CA USA 7:18.4 RACE
23 Mark Underwood 59 Bremerton WA USA 7:20.6 IND
24 Stephen Sirico 61 Milford CT USA 7:21.2 IND
25 Rob Drury 62 Maidstone Kent GBR 7:21.6 C2Log
26 Jeff Sykes 66 AUS 7:23.1 RACE
27 Dan Wade 60 Sumner WA USA 7:23.9 RACE
28 George Meredith 61 Gravesend Kent GBR 7:24.5 IND
29 Ken Benoit 62 Borden Ontario CAN 7:25.2 IND
30 Ron Riley 70 Invercargill NZL 7:28.4 IND
30 Walter Strapps 63 Prospect Bay NS CAN 7:28.4 IND
32 Brian Snead 63 Ramsgate Kent GBR 7:29.0 IND_V
33 Keith Adams 66 Mike Munds Fitness Studio, Bodmin GBR 7:29.8 RACE
34 Louis Joubert 65 Grenoble Av FRA 7:30.8 RACE
35 Hugh Spurway 65 Norwell MA USA 7:31.2 RACE
36 Dave Stewart 59 Wimborne Dorset GBR 7:31.5 IND
37 Michael Longworth 61 Virginia Beach VA USA 7:31.7 IND
38 Ted Edwards 60 Worcester Park Surrey GBR 7:32.6 IND
39 James Miller 63 Alexandria VA USA 7:33.7 RACE
40 Eric Peltosalo 60 Annapolis MD USA 7:34.9 IND
41 Andrew Johnson 66 Sevenoaks GBR 7:35.7 RACE
42 Nigel Deane 67 Harrow GBR 7:36.8 IND
43 K. C. Garn 61 Lake Huntington NY USA 7:38.2 IND
43 Colin Jones 63 Melksham Wiltshire GBR 7:38.2 IND
45 Rachild Benelhocine 60 Paris Us Metro FRA 7:38.7 RACE
46 Michael White 64 Seattle WA USA 7:39.3 RACE
47 Chris Sorensen 62 Manhattan KS USA 7:39.6 IND
48 Otto Kausch 60 Brecksville OH USA 7:42.8 IND
49 Peter Nicholson 63 AUS 7:43.5 RACE
49 Stein Mørk 65 1358 Jar Akershus NOR 7:43.5 IND

ranger

[mikvan52]

Seriously. If you're half as good as you claim you are (which you obviously are not), then put some freaking times up. Deadlines. When the hell are you ever going to do time trials?

If I can get my "ultra" sessions going, I should be ready for a FM trial in a month or so.

I vote for the downside of "if" and the upside of "or so".... as does everyone.

You will not get it done by April 30, 2011. You will repost this IF-OR SO over and over and over... that's the heart of ranger training.

[mikvan52]

no one my weight and age (or older) ca(me) within 20 seconds of my 2K.

How many 59 year old lwt competitive ergers/ or even those who post in the rankings / are there anyway?

I guess 12...

Let's take a look at the last full year (2010):

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3006/picture1ki.png


What a distinction! ranger was the best out of "12 contestants".
Does he even think the guy(s) who posted the 9:xx 2k were thinking they were competing...?


I notice that your time is the only one with the word (at a) RACE next to it... SO: I guess the other guys could claim that they weren't "fully trained"

[JimR]

the more common distances have you slower than Mike

No.

I repeat.

Mike's pbs in the distance rows are four seconds per 500m off of mine.

When I update my pbs this year, Mike's pbs in the distance rows will be eight seconds per 500m off of mine.

ranger

Repeat all you want ... right now Mike is faster ... look at the rankings if you need to.

JimR

[ranger]

I now row like this guy.



ranger

[hjs]

Does he get's payed for every time his picture is shown ?

And for some reason a very disturbing picture is springing to mind every time the nutty drunk is posting this. I hope he has his batcave locked

someone might get blind finding him