Ranger's training thread

[mikvan52]

RIch: Do remember that this is a training thread>
You really do a disservice to the uninformed in saying:
""Perhaps fiddling with technique can get you a few tenths of a second over 5K--here and there--if you spend 100% of your time OTW, and don't do anything else."

You don't know what your talking about. By your own admission, you've never raced on the water; you've never coached any one on the water.
How would you know? Divine revelation?

Review: You said the above> I said compare me with Vegar, a man who is solid muscle and 30 seconds faster than me at 2k on the erg.> I reply "a few tenths" OTW: my eye!

If I'm 30 seconds faster than Stan the man, Vegar at the HOCR.. you are refuted... no matter how hard you try to change the subject.
We've had this exchange before: heavyweights beat lightweight OTW.. not the opposite... THis is why there are two divisions in elite rowing...

[ranger]

bigger people (heavyweights) consistently beat lighter people (lightweights) is because bigger people have much greater oxygen carrying capacity, and the effect of their weight is minimized as rowing is not a weight bearing exercise

Really?

What is the world record in a 1x OTW for lightweights?

What is the world record in a 1x for heavyweights?

ranger

[Nosmo]

Your sculling - as proven by video - sucks.

You don't have any video of my present sculling (in the Fluid).
ranger

Leadville you just don't understand: The Fluid is the "best boat in the world". In fact it is so good it improves one's technique merely by purchasing one. In addition Gord "professionally rigged it" himself. Gord is so smart he can rigg the boat perfectly without ever seeing ranger in it.

Edit: re-reading this I realize this could be interpreted as a criticism of Gord, which is not what I intended. I have a lot of respect for Fluid boats. They are very nice and very fast. (personally I would buy something else but that is another thread and another story. )

[Nosmo]

RIch: Do remember that this is a training thread>
You really do a disservice to the uninformed in saying:
""Perhaps fiddling with technique can get you a few tenths of a second over 5K--here and there--if you spend 100% of your time OTW, and don't do anything else."

Anyone who has read more then a few posts by ranger and takes anything he says at face value is not aware or smart enough to be a good rower.

[ranger]

If I'm 30 seconds faster than Stan the man, Vegar at the HOCR.. you are refuted...

Not at all.

You need to know what Stan does on the erg for 5K.

Then you need to subtract your 70 second weight advantage.

70 seconds over 5K is seven seconds per 500m.

So, if you do a 5K at 1:47 on the erg, that would be equivalent to Stan doing a 5K in 16:40.

Does he?

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

BTW, I can row OTW at 158 lbs., just like you.

But my 5K target on the erg for this fall is 1:39, not 1:47.

ranger

[Nosmo]

therefore there is nothing that I need to do better in order to compete at the highest level with the best 60s rowers OTW.

Learn to show up?

Show up how?

It usually involves paying a fee, putting your boat on the car, driving to the race, registering and getting to the starting line on time.
It doesn't involve making plans and not showing up ( plans such as rowing on the CT river with MVB, and racing the Black Fly. Remember that one?).

[Nosmo]

There Is no point in trying to discuss anything with you.

No it is much better to just ridicule him.
It more fun, less time consuming, and he still gets the attention he craves.

[lancs]

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4 ifs in one post is quite impressive even for you. Moron..

[mikvan52]

etc.

ranger

My prediction:
I'll go w/the etc.

[Carl Watts]

Mike--

BTW, I can row OTW at 158 lbs., just like you.

But my 5K target on the erg for this fall is 1:39, not 1:47.

ranger

Your dreaming mate.

Anyone who has even as much as sat on an Erg and done a few km is just rolling around in laughter, so that's everyone reading this. Perhaps you should join a cycling forum instead and post there, maybe they will believe your lies and fictitious "Targets".

You should try and beat my 5km first before making any more stupid claims.Your a 2K specialist who cannot row anything other than "Average" times for any distance work, your complete lack of recent actual verified results to date just proves it and you just cannot bring yourself to post them here or it would just stop this thread dead in the water.

Don't give us the repeated cannot race your training shite, it took me 5 months to learn to gain the mental control to fully separate the racing from the training (made harder when you do all your rowing online with others, rather than just sitting in your basement rowing solo), you simply cannot still be having trouble with this after 7 years.

Seriously, seek help and I'm NOT talking about finding a rowing coach either !

[ranger]

It usually involves paying a fee, putting your boat on the car, driving to the race, registering and getting to the starting line on time. It doesn't involve making plans

No, not true at all.

All human action--especially human action that involves skill building, physical and mental challenge, ambitious goals, etc.-- involves planning long before it involves performance.

To say it doesn't is absurd.

I have told you my plans for racing OTW.

At this point, I don't see any reason why I won't carry those plans out--exactly as stated.

I also have plans for racing on the erg this next year (BIRC, WIRC, etc.).

At this point, I don't see any reason why I won't carry those plans out--exactly as stated.

What you folks would _like_ me to do has nothing to do with my plans and therefore nothing to do with my (future) actions.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike vB and Dietz, and Spousta don't row any better than you??? Three athletes, with multiple national team jerseys, a couple of Olympics, and too many national championships to count?

No, at 60 years old, Dietz, van Beuren, and Spouta don't row on the national team or compete in the Olympics.

At championships now, they only row against other broken down old men, pulling fifteen seconds per 500m slower than younger rowers.

That fifteen seconds per 500m gap between younger rowers and Dietz, VB, and Spousta as they now row points to a fact, not to be ignored.

The two most important elements of boat speed are physical capacity and training.

Technique is only a distant third.

This next year, on the erg, my goal is to reduce the standard decline with age over the forty years after 20 from eleven seconds per 500m to four seconds per 500m.

There's that seven seconds per 500m again!

Yep.

Physical capacity and training have something to do with who wins rowing races.

It is those who don't think so that are fools.

ranger

[ranger]

until you post updated video, that's proof of your blinding incompetence.

Sure.

But your fetishizing of technique is pretty irrelevant if I can rate 38 spm down a 1K course OTW when I am 60, regardless of my technique.

If I can, I'll do 1:51/3:42.

Last year, the F/60s age division at the US Nationals was won in 4:03.

In the E division last year, where Mike VB will be rowing for a couple more years, Mike's 3:52 was the standard.

If Mike would rate up like a younger rower, he'd also be faster.

But he can't.

He can't rate up on the erg, either.

So this incapacity has nothing to do with OTW technique.

It has to do with physical capacity and training.

No refining of technique can overcome massive (15 seconds per 500m, etc.) declines with age in physical capacity and training.

Compared to the effect of declines in physical capacity and training on boat speed, slight improvements in technique are just fiddling.

ranger

[ranger]

If his OTW paces indeed approach the theoretical limit of twelve seconds per 500m slower than his erg paces at the same rate, then it is clear why people like Mike VB don't do a lot of everyday distance rowing, 1:46 @ 26 spm (11.2 SPI) on the erg, as I am doing now.

OTW, that's the effort he puts into 2K race pace:

1:58.

For younger lightweight rowers, 1:46 on the erg is just middlin' UT1, 30K pace, 2K + 13.

On the erg, Mike prefers to do his distance rowing at 1:56, not 1:46.

ranger